The woman can't get a break!!! a$$hole !!

lol, wondering how sara got yanked into this other than a kool aide fan waiting for the next pitcher in the fridge to chill? seriously folks, its like relating Nobama the clown to actually getting something useful while he's in office accomplished, he hasnt done anything yet, most have no exspectations that he will, meantime, while he runs, and figures out campain speeches for his fellow democrats, and plans another tour of the US doing so, our country slipps farther into a deep demise, because those campains are faaar mooore important than actually doing something to fix the economy, rather than take credit, for a natural occurance each year, when people hire, take CREDIT for it, and pass it off like HE fixed something, or (lmao) did something (altho he never publicly said what it was he did, and that was why), meantime, the effect of those new hires, is already showing signs thos people are being let go.

So compairing the 2 is like a piece of rice, and an apple. Dont worry tho MB, by the time ol' Nobama the Clown's term is up, people would welcome a mutt off the streets in his place, as long it showed, (and easily could) that it could do a better job at doing something useful, other than waste everyones time with nonsence reforms, and useless bills that dont add up.

yea, i worked on a deer farm, or preserve as some call it. DNR, and the gov has all sorts of crazy ideas, when in reality they have no idea the TRUE cause of CWD. It isnt like i have a better idea, of it, but, i dont think it is something contagious, but genetic, imo. From working there, it seemed to come more from inbreeding, as the guy i worked for put it. He made it a point to keep herds, and deer seprate from the ones they were directly related to. He had 1 deer that showed signs of it, and it was one that was inbred. Seen inbred cats, they were just sickly, not at first, but as they grew older, seems they got worse, and looking at them and the 1 deer that was sic, wasnt much diffrence.

Just goes to show people just how much control the gov has over us, and our everyday lives. You cant do anything for yourself without gov approval. Care for your kids, build a home, own/ build a buisness, and so on....heck, in reality, you get the gov's approval just by opening up an account at the bank. That being, if your in this good of credit, altho it can be terrible, you can still be dinied, even if you were born and raised here. Just ask your local bank, what kind of credit check they do when you open an account and why. it'll make you laugh.

Pop rocky off too and make him into a hat?

soon enough we will be ordered for an rifd chip. that happens folks, its going to be going so far south after that, its silly. i strongly recommend if that does come about, dont do it, and if they try to force you fight them with every bit you have. You will be told it will be for your saftey, and well being, in case something happens to you, and used for medical reasons only, and other crap. What it really is, is a way to track your movements, where you go, what you do. In sync with your banking, no need to have apaper trail, and will know every little thing you buy, less you pay cash only. 2 diffrences from that, and when Hitler marked the jewish with a number... 1 they can find you at any moment, locate you, detain or arrest you, while tracking every move you make. 2nd, everyone will have one, ordered to do so, but law, and the benifit of mankind. Race, color religion, will make no diffrence. So when it gets passed as a add-in with some new amendment to go along with our new forced HCR.... You might want to make a visit to your local gunshop, drug dealer, or gun nut, and get rdy, cause its going to be a ruff ride for everyone. This will be if you go along with that chip, willingly, or not.

Not trying to put everyone into a panic, but i been calling it right as to how everything from the housing market was going to collapse, to now....its just a matter of time... 2 more yrs, maybe more.... but im guessing by or during 2012 this is going to come up. Before we go an a bash me rant, take a good hard look at how this is all been playing out. our country going down farther and farther, the HCR, gov entities, that have other than related duties, can count FEMA right in with the rest of them.... it doesnt matter what party, you favor, dem or rep, each one that has held office to this day, has done little by little to bring us all under control, from child, to adult...it's been going on for years.

I WANT A MICROCHIP!!! I'm sick of filling out forms! I've got nothing to hide, I just want to wave my arm over something and sit and read a magazine at the damn doctors instead of filling out forms over and over and over and over . . . . . .

How about all doctors start using one standardized form, which anyone can download for free. Fill it in and put it on your flash drive, which you then put on your keychain. When you go to the doctor's office, the receptionist can instantly enter it into their system. Isn't that a bit easier than a microchip?

You are so right. I think if one wants to hunt, it should be one on one and not having the animals "contained" in a specific area. That is like shooting fish in a barrel.

It always amazes me how so few people understand what they read!

Kelley, either you didn't really read the article or don't understand what you read. The man, Dave Lawrence, who takes care of Pete the moose DOES NOT own the game preserve.

Also, it is the VT game and fish agency, based on their own laws and policies, that said Pete the moose and the wild white-tail deer living within the preserve, would have to be killed. The "politicians" were the ones who told the game and fish people to back off!

as well some like to think you walk up to a fence, walk inside shoot hunt over, not like that. pending on the person, is how your hunt is set up. There are people who are handicapped, and hanted before they were, or have been at birth that get a smaller area. Usually taken out to the site by ATV, or other, given a place to hunt. The anomal they picked, and paid for, is, or was already released, into a contained area yes, but its a good sized area, even for a hadicapped person. Usually, even then, the only diffrence, is the fence, not the size of the area. When one goes to hunt, they have in almost all cases, been to the area prior, checked for tracks, and so on. I also have been an active hunter for yrs, bow, and shotgun, yet never on a preserve. There isnt much diffrence because a good hunter, knows where to go, and where the deer is hunted, the area is usually "pending", the same sized are one normally would hunt in. 1 factor that plays a role, is time. Some people can only afford a day or 2 off to hunt for the season. Why buy a lic to hunt, if you cant take the time to travel, set up pr find a good spot, meet with people to see if its ok to hunt on the land and so on? Public land is an option of course, bt it ruins a hunt in most cases. You have people that come out, at the perfect time when the deer are on the move, who leave behind waste, usually right near the trail, and deer wont use that trail is they catch a scent that does not belong. There are tons of reasons, i can go on all day. Fact is, to shorten it up, they are there more as a benifit, for those that cant find the time, or have some sort of handicap, that want to hunt, and any good preserve, will take any step need to make the hunt as natural as possible.

Yuck!

By the way, you should spend more time working on your grammar and an education instead of advertising your killing field.

I still do not like the idea of "contained" areas. If a person wants to hunt, regardless of their handicap, it should be one man, one animal...no dogs. If you get the animal, good for you. If you don't...then the hunt was fair and you live to try another day.

My husband hunts for food only, he gives the meat to a poor family who really appreciates it. It is my husband against the animal. One on one. And he never hunts unless the game will be eaten by someone who really wants and needs it.

What is wrong with using dogs?

I see no sport in a pack of dogs chasing one animal. While others do, I most certainly do not. If you want to shoot something, it should be you and the animal. Not some pack of dogs running the animal towards you, or running it up a tree for you to shoot.

The sport of shooting means you and the animal...not using "confined" areas or dogs. I feel very strongly about that.

Confined areas are useful because you can guarantee there aren't extraneous people around. There are many parts of the country where you can't shoot a rifle without the chance you may hit someone. Our population density isn't as low as it used to be.

I wasn't talking about a "pack of dogs" as in a fox hunt. (In Oscar Wilde's words, "The insufferable in pursuit of the inedible.") I was referring to hunting with one pointer or setter or retriever. Surely if you shoot an animal, you want to make sure you can retrieve it, otherwise it has died in vain and you are simply a murderer, not a hunter.

Ok. I understand that concept. Such as retrieving birds. Packs I abhor.

IF the brain illness are confined to deer and bear, that would be fine by me! There are more deer and bear now than there were when settlers first arrived here - check your facts. NJ's car insurance is one of the highest in the nation. The damn deer walk into roads and teach their fawns to wave as you drive up - I kid you not! I''ve had to honk and yell at them to get out of my way. And the bear - watch your little dogs. AND - a human infant (or two?) in the past 2 years have become bear chow. No kidding. And it's not like there's no other food available.

If the wildlife kept to itself I'd love to leave it alone. But the deer are actually ruining the ecosystem by overeating natural wild understory vegetation and as I stated above there are more bear and deer than when the Mayflower arrived. And NJ has struggled with allowing legal hunts - too many misguided bleeding hearts who don't understand we need to allow humans to take the place of missing natural predators to bring nature into balance. And since humans are making food too available to bears, humans have to bring the bear population into line too.

I do agree NJ has tons of idiots. I hate NJ. I'm not originally from here. It's a shame I replied so late to you - I'd love to argue more!

If you hate NJ so much, leave!! After reading your retort I'm even more convinced we should have open season on idiots instead of animals.

Believe me I've tried, but my husband hasn't tried enought to get a job elsewhere, and now I've got 2 kids at Rutgers. No way in hell I'm staying after retirement though! I'm sick of hitting my brakes for the damn deer (they did in one of my cars already after it ran across the highway at dark in front of an oncoming car and into my car full of girls), and there are too many people here too.

Don't move to Western PA, because it's even worse. I've seen deer within the Pittsburgh city limits. They are sure beautiful animals, though.

Um, the meat at the supermarket didn't grow on trees, either. It came from factory farmed animals whose every minute of life was torture. Hunting is actually a lot more humane, although not when the animals are in a fenced enclosure! It also seems insane to IMPORT elk just for people to hunt. Either go to where the elk are native, or else hunt local species.

I realize meat from supermarkets aren't grown on trees, nor are those animals treated humanely. The point was, killing animals for sport or hunt is inhumane and unnecessary. It's done by people with a "Me Tarzan, you Jane" mentality and hopefully one day, humanity will mature.

If the hunter and his family actually eat the animal he killed, that's one less tortured domesticated animal. Please stop projecting onto other people what you IMAGINE they are thinking. I've known women who hunted, specifically to put venison stew on the table. That does NOT mean I would find it acceptable to hunt this moose, who is tame and somewhat of a pet. Of course it isn't, anymore than it would be okay to shoot your neighbor's dog. But hunting is still kinder and preferable to factory farming.

[[killing animals for sport or hunt is inhumane and unnecessary]]

Well, I suppose you could argue that eating meat is both inhumane and unnecessary, but are you a strict VEGAN? Just being a vegetarian isn't good enough because the surplus males still get slaughtered even if you limit yourself to milk and eggs. In fact, baby male chicks are often ground up or buried alive, and I shouldn't have to tell you how veal calves are treated. If you are NOT a vegan, then it is totally hypocritical to criticize hunters because what they do is actually much, much more humane than what YOU do. If you were an animal of a species that humans eat, would you rather live happy and free until you are eventually shot, or would you rather spend your whole miserable life in a cage where you cannot even turn around or ever see the sun until the day you are taken to slaughter? Please answer honestly instead of just repeating how hunting is "inhumane and unnecessary".

And yet, as noted above, people will still b!tch.

You and Hannibal Lector seem to be cut from the same mold. Are you his Appalachian kin?

I'm serious. I grew up in Vermont and New Hampshire and moose snout really is a delicacy.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe there are any "moose farms", so those moose snouts probably came from a wild moose shot and killed so you could enjoy eating his nose. Senseless.

Yes, from a wild moose. You just get the butcher to package it up for you with all the other meat. And besides, what's the difference between eating moose or cow? They are both tasty, but you usually have to add some fat to the ground moose meat since it's dry.

nom nom nom nom nom!

moose boogers.. ewww

Price of 12 pack of domestic beer:

$16

Sunblock for going to local lake:

$5

Reading post like yours and realizing my neighbors are o.k. after all:

Priceless

Debi....I could never hunt myself. However, herds do have to be thinned or disease will take over or many will starve. So, therefore, I understand when hunters kill for the meat to eat. That said, it should never be in "controlled" areas. That is not hunting, nor is it fair to the animals.

Sports hunting should be just that, a sport. Shooting animals in fences is no more sporting than slaughtering cows.