There seems to be a trend in the younger generation of violence these days that escalates into our worst fears, but I believe it is all preventable.
Some of these young kids appear to have a "non-chalant" attitude in their acts and behaviors towards attacking others. Where a young Irish girl was driven to suicide a few months back and a couple of boys were driven to murder at Columbine a few years ago tells me American teens believe there are no consequences for their behaviors or actions.
I do not believe parents; schools; churches; the courts; law enforcement and the public in general even see or recognize there is a problem here. Not until it comes to their community and shocks them into seeing the "red flags" we all ignore.
Sadly, I also believe the courts; law enforcement and the media deal with these cases based on racial and background factors as well whereas if this incident had taken place on an Indian reservation or an inner city ghetto, there would be no story publicized at all and the outcome would range anywhere from a minority youth receiving police brutality to an excessive and extreme sentencing in prison with no front page article.
The youth need to understand that there are consequences to their actions no matter what race or background they are, but I'll bet this young man will see no jail time and be given counseling instead, that is just the American way of perpetuating the problem, while ignoring the responsibility.
Could be because you have defense attorneys tell everyone that it's not their client's fault, circumstance drove them to it, they lost all sense of reality. Bull! They did it cause they thought they could get away with it, they have an overbearing sense of privilege.
This is exactly why children do not need cell phones....we just had a sexting article on here a couple weeks ago...People stop getting your kids phones...we didnt need them they dont....make your child get a job and pay for their own phone if they want one...kids are spoiled and that little girl should never have instigated that situation like she did in her texts....teenagers are very unstable and you cant push them like that...I feel sorry for both parties....
I think Indigenous Man and NotPClever are right on the money. Personal responsibility for one's behavior is a dying value in our country, and lawyers and others help perpetuate this decline in order to get their client off. This young man was not "crying out for help" any more than a thug saying to you "I am going to kick your ***" is a cry for help. It is annoying to watch these attorneys twist circumstances to make everyone else responsible for their client's behavior. There is no evidence that this young man would not have killed this girl had he not been pulled off of her. Let him stand trial as a young adult and face the consequences.
driftwoodstrings, I agree with you, but both parties were wrong. In fact, Kayla Manson should never have pointed her "friend" out to him. Several questions here: Why was the 13 year old girl dating? Why does every child need a cell phone when this is what they do with them? Texting is a ridiculous habit that engulfs people of all ages.
Why didn't anyone who knew this boy tell someone of authority? The reason is because today's children do not think they have to answer to anyone. Schools, Departments of "Social Services", public school indoctrinators, all kinds of media outlets, psychologists and liberal minded parents who are more interested in being their children's friends are encouraging this behavior of irresponsibility.
Yet people will continue to belittle the "Father Knows Best" and "Ozzie and Harriet" days. Figure out the connection, and if any of you were not alive during those days, don't even try to tell me what was wrong with them.
Wow! I find myself feeling sorry for the boy! I can't believe it. I started into this story thinking the boy who did this is sadistic but on this rare instance I feel this boy REALLY DOES have emotional circumstances which pushed him over the edge.
In this case I believe intense counseling may be what he needs. I'm not an expert in this type of thing but prison seems to be a waste in this case.
As for the girl, I sincerely hope she pulls through and makes 100% recovery, but she isn't completely innocent in this. That's one MEAN SPIRITED girl.
Betsy I agree with everything you said. My heart truly goes out to the boy, to be provoked to that measure, the girl was truly heartless. I hope she recovers and learn from her error.
I would be more sympathetic to the boy if he hadn't already made threats against the vile-mouthed victim BEFORE she said anything about his brother. Sure she was out-of-line, and she has paid dearly for it. What has been his consequences? Nothing, yet. He could have verbally continued the harangue they were doing and not gone homicidal. Do you really want to blame the victim for her own near-death experience? Did the adults in the young man's life get him any help after the suicide? How about hold the adults responsible, too, for this tragedy. There are certainly factors in this case that we know nothing about, and we clearly aren't going to get them from his lawyer if they put his client in a bad light.
Yes, now that I have seen those texts she sent to him, I think he should get probation. That was one nasty little girl. What she wrote there was like a caricature, if you saw it in a movie, you wouldn't take it seriously.
I don't think what he did was right, but that little girl was absolutely horrible to him. She probably felt anonymous because he didn't know what she looked like. If this is what kids are texting to each other, no wonder they are getting in fights.
And yes, a 15 year old boy could stay mad for 3 miles on his bike, easily. In fact, 3 miles would just pump him up, get his juices going and make him think less about it. An adult maybe would calm down, but not a 15 year old. I've dealt with that. to calm down a 15 year old in athletic kid, you need at least 20 miles on a bike, and to be guaranteed of the job you need 50.
He was 15. He isn't going to do that again. He had reason. Even the law recognizes "fighting words".
really?? so the next time someone is "horrible and nasty " to me I have the right to go off on them and beat them near to death?? RU stupid?? ooppsss....Im being nasty to you...I guess you now have to right to try and stomp me to death!!! Get real!!!
I also agree with you, and judging from your +9 rating on your post, seems most the people here agree with you too.
I don't think he should be put in jail for attempted murder, It's pretty clear he needs intense counseling and it's partially the parents and state's fault for not providing it earlier.
I think the girl is very much to blame and should be charged with something. Sure she got the short in of the stick here and she's the one in a coma, but you can't go picking fights and then whine about it when you get your ass beat.
Not only that but even before this she kept calling him a rapist because he was dating her friend, and this also infuriated him because he knew girls that had been raped according to the article.
It doesn' matter how mean spirited she is, what he did was wrong, and as they said he waited over 3 hours and then rode his bike 3 miles, to beat the crap out of her. He should do jail time, and see a doctor for a long long time. The boy has issues. Shame on his parents for now making him get help when he found his brother.
I don't think anyone thinks what this boy did was less than horrific. But there is serious fault on both sides. If nothing else, every parent and school should use this tragedy to teach some important lessons.
1) Never assume that what you text or post is anonymous.
2) Words are weapons too.
3) If you have nothing nice to say keep your mouth shut.
Just take a look as several of the posts here and you will have the answer as to why stuff like this keeps happening. You people are blaming the girl for pushing this boy too far. Really? So when your own kids starts running their mouth, and they will, they all do, you will all be ok with the person that beats themso badly they have severe brain damage right? Doesn'tt matter what that girl said to him. HE is 100% to blame here. And with parents like the ones posting on this thread it's no surprise at all that we have 15 year old boys beating 15 year old girls nearly to death. Because hey, your kids are so weak minded they can't deal with harsh words without resorting to violence right. Maybe if people would pay even half assed attention to their kids maybe some of these mentally disturbed children will be identified BEFORE they kill, or nearly kill someone. But hey, who has time for that. Just blame it on someone else right? Pathetic, truely pathetic.
No this guy is right. What you're doing would only make your precious little angel feel as if she didn't do anything wrong and guess what? She'd do it again and again, beg for attention for it, and ruin lives. No, what he did was wrong but you know what? She was unknowingly -begging- for it. Like it or not words have meaning, and not everyone was raised in a setting where if someone calls you out you ignore it. You may -think- that's what happens but face it: It's a new day, someone disrespects you like that at 15 at such a deep level there's not going to be a cup of tea and a meeting with the parents. Period. They aren't 'mentally disturbed', they're not some schizophrenic mental patient. It's called emotions, and it's a fact that ANYONE can be pushed over the edge, even you. I'll dare to say that at fifteen seeing things like that and then having some 'little angel' who hasn't so much as dealt with a pet dying acts like it's okay to make fun of your dead brother isn't exactly -soothing-. You don't just act like he's 100% responsible, the kid has triggers and she pushed all of them thinking there were no consequences. People are different, and whether you like it or not that girl learned a lesson. Really, to be honest it should be a crime to do what -she- did, then maybe the whole thing could be avoided and no one would have been hurt. You don't go around stabbing people in the heart, or this is what happens. The world is not a place where there's bad guys and good guys, wake up! Every person in this world has triggers, we're all capable of terrible things, the sooner you realize that the faster you don't sound so ignorant when you say something. It's not fair to anyone and honestly you're just hiding in your black and white world.
I don't get it.Did you not read what he said to her about her father.Truth or not about her father that was a very hurtful thing to say to her at the age of 15. She said the most hurtful thing that came to mind after he told her to go see her dead father that abused her.Oh by the way her father is not dead,but do we know if he had abused her? I don't find one no more hurtful than the other.But she did not call her friends and say I m going to kill him!
I don't pity her at all. She KNEW his brother was dead and still took a shot at him. That's something that's absolutely off limits no matter how pissed off you are. I hope she makes it through this, but If it was me I probably would have kicked her ass too. As for the boy, he went too far but I think he just snapped. Losing a sibling is a very hard thing to deal with and hopefully in the future he'll deal with his feelings over this.
Yes, I agree. She also rode him by calling him a rapist because he had a girlfriend 2 years younger. She was way out of line. At that age, I might have slapped her or beaten her with body shots, but I wouldn't have kicked her in the head to really kill her. But, he was pushed into a murderous rage.
I remember a paper on male versus female physiology with word conflicts. In females (all adults, both sexes) when they were arguing, pushing and baiting with a man, their adrenals were barely secreting. But for the men, their adrenals kicked in big time. The men's adrenals started secreting at the beginning, and just kept secreting more. Meanwhile, the women just had this low level. In other words, the women enjoyed the process of yelling and arguing, but the men didn't. This is a fundamental difference in physiology between male and female.
Didnt your parents teach you anything??? Words are just words!! You cant go around trying to kill every person who says something that makes you mad!! Do really think some where down the road someone else wont' take a shot at his dead brother?? Then what?? He is allowed and justified in kicking them near to death?? BS!!! The thing that seperates us from animals is our ability to control ourselves!!! If you cant control your anger and let shi# roll off then you are a risk to the rest of society and should be taken off the streets
You know what you do when someone you don't know is sending you insulting texts. You block their number. This is not the first time she has insulted him. If he didn't enjoy getting worked up about it he would have/should have blocked her number or ignored her altogether. Noone diserves to be beaten or charged for what she texted. He should be charged and they both should have to appologise to eachother. He should also seek counseling and should have from the beginning. If all she said regarding his brother is that he should go visit him. That is not an insult and he has some serious issues.
Everyone has an excuse for this boy and when one doesn't pan out they move on to the next! He threatened her because she said something about his dead brother, it's pointed out that he made the threats BEFORE she mentioned his brother so NOW it's "oh well she called him a rapist and he knows girls that were raped". OH Please!!! People need to stop making excuses for this piece of garbage!! He attacked her 3 HOURS after the messages were sent and rode his bike 3 MILES.....plenty of time for him to calm himself down so it was NOT something he couldn't control! As for the comments from "Betsy Ross American" YES she IS innocent in this!!!! Since when do WORDS warrent an attack like this?!?!?!? You feel sorry for someone who could do something like this to another human being and SHE is the "mean spirited" person in this situation????? I feel sorry for YOU that you are so blind. And Gogolbordello, well you're just too damn stupid for me to respond to the nonsense you posted!!!
While I believe we must all be held accountable for our actions, the three hours and three miles isn't proof of much. Anger episodes can last a long time. If you firmly believe that "oh 3 hours and 3 miles is PLENTY of time to calm down!" you don't know very much about mental states and their impacts. Again, I am not saying people shouldn't be held accountable, but what I am saying is that if truly in a fit of anger, in an unstable mental state, yes, it CAN last through hours and exercise.
For many, the only way they can insure that will not harm themselves or others during such horrible situations is use of sedatives or taking yourself into the ER every time you have an episode. If someone has not been diagnosed with PTSD (which I will be shocked if he doesn't have after seeing his brother dead) how would they know any of the coping strategies or have any medication to prevent this type of thing from happening? He needs medical attention, not just police attention.
The boy needed therapy and our "so wonderful" school system did not see it. His parents are probably still in really bad shape themselves since they lost a son. Sorry but this girl is not just the poor victim here, in a way she asked for it. I feel sorry for both parties in this case. I hope both parties will recover from this, and learned their lesson. But most of all I hope both parties will get the therapy they all need now.
This has nothing to do withe evil of technology or how kids today are more aggressive. This is a clear case of PTSD, and no one gave the kid any help so he snapped after he was basically told to hang himself.
Sorry, but no. That girl absolutely brought it on herself. I read what she wrote to him and it made me mad. Obviously, that nasty little girl was vicious. And yes, the law does recognize "fighting words" as a defense. A 15 year old boy who has lost a brother to suicide whose father is in prison is going to get furious and no, it won't go away.
Seriously, reading what that nasty little girl wrote made me want to beat the crap out of her. For her parents, I'm very sorry for what happened to your child, but dear god she was awful.
Comment to John Toradze - you are a scary man! What happened to you to be so hateful and speak to vile about a 15 year old girl. You sound like you need to be put away yourself!
This is a tragic incident for all parties involved. However, there is a lesson that we can all learn. First, I highly doubt that the young woman would have had the courage to say to the young man's face what she put in writing. Simply, with respect to teenagers, there is an unhealthy assumption that sending negative messages via text is not as bad as saying it in person. That is NOT the case. In fact, reading negative comments can be more hurtful than having someone say it to you because as you read it there is a tendency to engrave into your memory.
With regards to parents, if you supply your kids with cell phones you should at least insist that they use them correctly. After all, how many of us would give a teenager a car and not monitor their driving behavior? Parents need to warn their kids that the their cell phone are not to be used as a "weapon" for waging war on others. There has been too many cases of teenagers inappropriately using their parent issued cell phones to either bully/harass someone or to send pornographic materials via the airwaves. This has got to stop! Parents, teenagers, schools, and society at large must take action to reduce "text rage."
The young woman clearly did not deserve the beating she received. As for the young man he needs to undergo not only anger management sessions but also some therapy to help him get over the death of his brother. I do not believe prison will provide that kind of rehabilitation. Good luck to all.
ALL kids are mean.ALL-ALL-ALL. Got it? That does not make what he did right.She deserved some kind of ass-whippin' but not to the extent that she got.That boy has some serious issues to be able to do that.
I wonder how big the crowd of kids was,standing around,watching,doing nothing?
When she said her dad was dead, he said he don't give a f*** not knowing that her dad could really be dead. So he can dish it out but he cant take it. I don't really feel sorry for this vicious kid. She was vicious too but didn't deserve what she got. Beating someone nearly to death can't be justified other than in self defense or to protect someone else's life.
Please tell me you are kidding-he didn't just smack her in the face or shove her and tell her to shut up-he tried to stomp her to death with steel toed boots. This comment of yours would really anger the family; I hope they don't put on their boots and stomp you almost to death! But if they did, you would of course be to blame, right?
I agree with Evellyn.After reading your comment Jennifer that she deserved it. Well you need to be slapped upside the head so you can rethink what you wrote.
They edited out the whole sections of the situation and conversation and homed in on just her one or two lines?
Some girl she knows "borrows" her phone to text him. Then, he keeps texting back and won't stop. He demands she pass his messages to the other girl. She tells him no and to stop calling/texting HER phone. He insults her and it escalates from there. Amazing how they left all that out.
He wouldn't leave her alone. He could have stopped at ANY point, but he didn't.
He had plenty of opportunities to stop. He had plenty of chances to leave, calm down, and think for a change. Instead, the only thinking he did was how to commit murder.
He chose to bike all the way home, chose to get steal-toed boots, chose to bike to her school, chose to seek her out and chose to try and BRUTALLY kill her. He didn't fully succeed, but that does not excuse his choice to try. There is no excuse for that. None.
We ALL have bad things happen in our lives. I've had way more then my share. Even so, you don't any of us going out murdering people like that. This was his choice.
The insanity plea was only ever meant to cover "heat of the moment" where there was no chance for rational thought. He had plenty of chances. He made plenty of choices. All of them bad.
And that so-called "friend" of hers, Kayla, is no friend. I am sure he expressed anger to Kayla such as "where is that b!tch Josie? I'm gonna kill her!" or looked angry when he asked which girl was Josie, yet Kayla didn't care and threw her friend under the bus by ratting her out to this evil kid. I'm not totally convinced she was clueless as to what was going on. My question is, where is this boy's mother in all of this? If she knew her son had anger issues due to his brother's suicide, why didn't she get him counseling before he went ballistic? He was just a ticking time bomb. Another case of a parent who is not involved in her child's life. And I agree with you, Open Eyes-1760970, he had plenty of opportunities to cool down, but he had an intent to kill, even if he didn't succeed. I do not believe for one moment that he has suffers from insanity, but every murderer and rapist always ends up being deemed "insane", it's the technique du jour of defense attorneys, but hopefully the jury will see the truth.
Guys. He was 15 years old and his life was crap. He was an angry kid and now it's all out in the open. If he doesn't go to prison, he won't do it again. If he does, he will be surrounded by people who will think he's great for trying to kill Josie.
awww...poor poor boy....was the little girl mean to him and hurt his widdle feelings???? Does he want his mommy or his binky??? GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK PEOPLE!!!
They are both to blame in this. they both provoked each other! But he went to far. They both need help, her for her bad adittude and he for his unresolved issues, which should have been delt with right away after finding his poor brother. I have no sympathy for either party for there actions but as a nation we need to start addressing the issues of our younger generation or it's just going to keep getting worse then it already is.
High school and middle school can be brutal. Many adults like to sugarcoat their mishaps and stupidity as they are so far detached from that world. However, people can be malicious, dramatic and flippantly say things they don't mean. Unfortunately, this "boy" (murder is not the instinct of a child therefore he is an adult) needed serious mental help. Admittedly the girl said some harsh words to the man but he must be held accountable for his actions. Accountability for one's actions doesn't exist anymore for many of you it seems. The defense will point fingers at his brother's death, father's arrest and knowing other rape victims (good luck with that one...), which pushed him over the edge. There is no justification for what this man did. She will have to spend a lot or all of her life in a wheelchair, unable to move, talk, change her own clothing, go to the bathroom alone. You don't understand the importance of these things until they are taken away. In addition, the medical expenses her family has to endure are beyond what some may be able to fathom. To those of you who believe she deserved this, I feel sorry for you. You don't hold people accountable for attempted murder. No middle school/young person deserves to be beaten. A parent gives a child a time out for their bad actions. An adult goes to jail for their bad actions. Teenagers shouldn't be able to slip through the cracks of the justice system. Any other person over the age of 18 wouldn't stand a chance in court. He needs help and he needs to serve his time for his actions.
I personally believe that this girl deserved what came to her, but I also belive he COULD of been more subtle... though I empathize with him because I know what he feels like with a loss of a dear loved one and then someone baggin on them... this girl deserved what she got and I say this 15 year old boy is only guilty in the eyes of the parents of this girl I say he is innocent and that he did what every younger brother/person would do for their older siblings and or other family member and that is defending their name and reputation... and of course his friends wouldnt do anything to hold him back because they think it to be a joke they most likely think he is kidding as is in the case of suicidal people many people think that they are only joking that they are going to one day kill themselves... or in this case kill/injure someone else... yes yes I see all the comments "the younger generation is getting worse blah blah blah" its only getting worse because the older generations are just as bad as the younger generations and dont say otherwise :P i see adults who are SUPPOSED to act their age and such yet they act like a 5 year old and areso greedy and selfish and immature so dont you older ones say that we are immature because you elderly and adults can/are/is as us teenagers and younger :P She deserved it for starting this conflict, not taking him seriously, and taunting him more despite her knowing his status his freinds are accomplices by not holding him back and not taking him seriously He is innocent in my eyes and doesnt deserve to be charged as an adult also why isnt the girl being charged? LAWYER DUDE COUNTER SUE FOR HARRASING YOUR CLIENT!!! COUNTER SUE FOR HER KNOWING ABOUT HIS LIFE AND BARRAGING HIM DESPITE HER KNOWING!!! COUNTERSUE HER SAYING SHE KNEW HE KNEW RAPED GIRLS AND ATTACKED HIM WITH THAT!!! COUNTER SUE FOR VERBAL ASSAULT! COUNTER SUE AND FIND PROOF THAT SHE KNEW THAT HE HAS MENTAL DISORDERS!!!! DONT JUST DEFEND YOUR CLIENT ATTACK THEM!!!! THE BEST DEFENSE IUS A GOOD OFFENSE!!! THAT WAY YOU DONT NEED YOUR DEFENSE!!! NOW FIGHT BACK AND TALK TO THOSE JUDGES LIKE A REAL MAN!!! SETTLE DOWN THE CHARGES!!! SETTLE DOWN THE CROWD SETTTLE DOWN THIS!!! IF YOU DID NOT AND I REPEAT DID NOT COUNTERSUE THEM YOU DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB YOU LOST A BATTLE BUT DID NOT LOSE THE WAR NOT FIGHT BACK FOR YOUR CLIENT!!! no I am not being irrational no i am not saying he doesnt need some time in the slammer or some where else to think, but I am showing you the otherside of the conversation DONT BE SEXIST AND SAY "damn that girl did not deserve that... this guy needs to go to jail" lets look at this the other way around what if it was a 15 year old girl and she was dating a 13 year old boy this girl has ADHD and this 13year old boy's so-called "friend" starts to txt this girl and starts to verbally assault this girl... this girls snaps and drives or whatever 3 miles to his school and beats the living snot out of him what happens then?!? THE GIRL IS SEEN AS A HERO!!! she has smaller charges goes to juveunile hall and spends there for a month or so or maybe a year and this boy is either dead or in the hospital and is seen as a total dickhead and is paying this girls family because he verbally assaulted this "poor, innocent girl" is this case suddenly this girl isnt in as much trouble as a boy would be i say retrial i say the jury(if there was one) is sexist and biased because its the same old story of man beats woman NO i am not sexist BUT i do believe that in everycase of man vs. woman sexism seems to come into play and if the woman is guilty she doesnt get that much charges, or they arentas severe BUT if the man is guilty he gets a ton of charges, or they ARE severe... I empathize with this boy and i believe this girl deserved to get beaten... not near death or death itself, but, to pulp or atleast to a point when she is begging for mercy... AND THAT LAWYER BETTER FIGHT BACK AND CALLA RETRIAL WITH A NEW JURY AND TAKE OUT THE FACT OF SEXISM!!! PUT IN HALF MALE HALF FEMALE!!! IF THEY ARE SEXIST TAKE THEM OUT INSTANTLY!!! IT WILL RUIN THIS AS A FAIR TRIAL!!! I SAY TO HIM/HER TO COUNTERSUE FOR VERBAL ASSAULT COUNTERSUE!!!!! that is all.... reply if you want to i dont really care agree or disagree same thing :P just have a good day and thank you for reading this otherside of the story
You don't hit girls! You don't hit girls! You don't hit girls!
Regardless of what the girls say, you don't hit them.
This kid gave that no thought. Think maybe had he gotten a little older and gotten married, he might become a wife beater?
I don't care if the girl was running off at the mouth, that's what almost all teenagers do. Something was missing from this kids upbringing before the death of his brother. Otherwise, why did his brother kill himself? His family is severely dysfunctional. I hope this kid doesn't have any other brothers or sisters for his parents to ruin.
Some girl she knows "borrows" her phone to text him. Then, he keeps texting back and won't stop. He demands she pass his messages to the other girl. She tells him no and to stop calling/texting HER phone. He insults her and it escalates from there. Amazing how they left all that out.
Nothing justifies what he did, but young people need to learn to not be mean to others. There is no doubt in my mind that if she hadn't sent that horrible text, he would not have done what he did. Having a family memeber commit suicide is a tough loss(and finding the person hanging, horribly traumatic).People need to learn to have compassion for others. Stop saying hurtful things to each other!!!!
This is such bs. The boy knew what he was doing. And if he is so messed up mentally because of his brother's suicide he should have been at an institution. Then he would have never had the conversation that led to him almost killing a girl. He threatened her life BEFORE she said anything about his brother... they say "Oh but she called him a rapist and he KNOWS girls who have been raped...". SO?! I don't mean to sound mean but that's stupid. Congrats! He knows people who have been raped. I do, too. My father is dead, he killed himself. And I have had people make horrible remarks about him since his death. Magically **gasp** I didn't try to kill any of them! Either lock the boy up in prison or say "Awe, he didn't mean it... he's just mentally unstable he couldn't help but almost stomp in this poor girls head..." and send him to a mental institution. Either way, put him away for a LONG time.
Meanwhile, lesson learned(?) by the evil little girl who set him off ... she is lucky to be alive, and hopefully, she will learn to control her mouth in the future.
thats like they used to blame a women getting raped because she dressed provocatively or "teased" or flirted with a man then he gets pissed off and rapes her....they use to say it was the womens fault for behaving that way....so whats the diff here? The poor poor boy was teased by the mean little girl so he is allowed to go off??? get real!!
She had it coming to her. Talking to anyone like that is ridiculously stupid. And all of this started over her telling him who he could and couldn't be with. I can understand protecting a friend, but calling the guy a rapist and taking cheap shots at his family isn't the way to go. She earned what he gave her. She hurt him emotionally on purpose. There were no restrictions on her part. If you're going to provoke someone into violence like that, don't be too shocked if you're the one getting attacked. She was vicious, and I hope she survives this knowing that she messed up and went too far. And maybe she'll have enough brain cells to learn from it and not do it again.
WHAT??????????????????? You need HELP. You must be a abusive male to females. And I bet you think you are better then females. You deserve more pay and better jobs. Well for some one as stupid as you, you should be saying do you want fries with that burger. And hopefully someone you know will help you before you kill someone or kill someone else.
Tracy I agree with you. You are exactly right and this kid needs to pay the price for his bad decision. I also think this kids parents need to be neutered and spayed so they can't have anymore kids to ruin.
awww...poor poor boy....was the little girl mean to him and hurt his widdle feelings???? Does he want his mommy or his binky??? GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK PEOPLE!!!
Some girl she knows "borrows" her phone to text him. Then, he keeps texting back and won't stop. He demands she pass his messages to the other girl. She tells him no and to stop calling/texting HER phone. He insults her and it escalates from there. Amazing how they left all that out.
I can't believe what I'm reading here: the girl deserved what she got??? You people are sick. Did you bother to read the article? Did you read the article when this first happened?...not the follow ups to it?
For starters the girl and boy didn't know each other. He started making the threats BEFORE she ever said anything about his brother. The boy's girlfriend had to point out to him who Josie is. For three hours the boy is making threats...goes home and changes into steel toed BOOTS and rides 3 miles to find Josie. Have any of you saying Josie deserved this ever seen a pair of steel toed boots? Have you ever held a pair of those to know how damn heavy they are?
Every one on this forum at one time or another has said something they shouldn't...whether in jest or not. But to say this girl deserved what she got is absolutely deplorable! For three hours this boy rants and raves and no one says a word to his mother or anyone else that could possibly bring him to his senses and the boy goes around the bend.
The boy was obviously hanging on by a thread and needs help. And he sucked his girlfriend into the mess. What was she thinking? Why didn't she say something to someone? Well...now she is charged also.
A tragedy all the way around. I hope Josie makes a full recovery.
Indeed, nancy, you're right. I want to address something Acana said earlier about "mental states" and PTSD. This kid wasn't acting out of PTSD, because someone with PTSD wants to AVOID situations that resemble the trauma, not pursue them. (The psychologist on TODAY was misguided. Watch the prosecution get their own psychologist to testify the opposite viewpoint.) Three hours and a 3-mile bicycle ride to kill someone is a pursuit to cause trauma, not an avoidance or defense against traumatic reminders. This kid was in attack mode. Lawyers have often tried to get their clients off with a PTSD plea, but usually fail because PTSD is clinically not a justification or explanation for criminal behavior. Most courts know this. People with PTSD can commit all sorts of crimes, but PTSD doesn't cause criminal behavior. If a PTSD survivor gets violent, like waking up at night and choking one's bed mate, they are doing it because they are reacting defensively to a nightmare of the trauma. The violence is defensive in nature. This kid was not behaving defensively, but pursued his target. He was enraged, not terrified. PTSD is an ANXIETY disorder. The behavior of a PTSD survivor is rooted in anxiety, not rage. This kid was enraged, not anxious. Acana doesn't know his/her "mental states" either. You can see from the range of comments here, especially those who believe the girl "deserved what she got" that one doesn't need to have PTSD to justify this horrendous use of retaliatory violence. Plenty of people, including plenty of bloggers, think like this kid thought when he tried to kill this foul-mouthed girl.
You have to be kidding me... He was angry because of words on a cell phone, that is SICK. By now you would think he would have learned better to manage his emotions. Remember "Sticks and Stones" well I guess he wanted to break someones bones. It is sad that no one took him serious about looking for help BUT that does NOT excuse his behavior. I hope he is tried as and Adult and has to think about what he has done to another human being. Again this makes me SICK to my stomach. My head is spinning with anger, confusion, and pity. But that doesn't give any excuses.
I have the same questions I always have: where are the parents? Do they even have parents?
It's very sad and help will be needed by everybody still alive.
My brother committed suicide, and he didn't send up warnings of what he was going to do like these kids did. I still feel horrible guilt. At least I've been in contact with his children. It's been unbelievably hard on them. It doesn't make the guilt go away. I don't know if that ever will happen.
i honestly think this girl was in the wrong for not knowing when to stop, i mean common she thinks this guy is a rapist and not good for her friend then why would you provoke someone like that BUT NO MATTER WHAT he was wrong for what he did and should be tried as an adult because theres just no excuse for what he did but i suppose im just going off what Ive read from this article and the comments but seriously i feel sorry for the girl even i think shes a bitch.no one really deserves something like this
I guess you missed this as well.Don't you people read from the beginning.
Some girl she knows "borrows" her phone to text him. Then, he keeps texting back and won't stop. He demands she pass his messages to the other girl. She tells him no and to stop calling/texting HER phone. He insults her and it escalates from there. Amazing how they left all that out.
I am glad to see I am not alone in feeling compassion for this boy and how mean Ratley was to him. Of course he went too far, but she is responsible too. Treacy has just as much injury as Ratley, it's just that they are on the inside where they aren't seen and dealt with. He is hurt for life too.
I live where this occurred. Articles in our local paper stated that he actually witnessed his brother still hanging from the tree where he committed suicide last October 2009. The same articles also said Ratley's family described her by saying "she always loved to correct us when we were wrong" as if that is a good trait. Sounds to me like a flippant mouthy girl who doesn't know when to shut up and be respectful.
Kids today are so mean to each other with their words (in person and online). They think they can say/text whatever they feel and that there are no repercussions. If Treacy had complained about Ratley's text assault on him, would anything have been done about it? No I don't think so. Other teens have been harrassed on facebook, twitter, etc and nothing is done. We think the person being harrassed should just deal with it. There are no laws to stop the meanness. And this is not just normal playground meanness. It is over the top meanness. While it is true that "words will never kill me" it is also true that words can "pierce like a sword" and I feel that Treacy was actually hurt by Ratley's words in a very real way.
I have an autistic son in the 5th grade. I have seen firsthand how intolerant kids are of others. I believe parents today are not teaching tolerance, respect, and kindness to their children (including Ratley's parents). Realistically, children also need to know that if they say the wrong thing to the wrong person, they might get beat up for it. It shouldn't happen, but it does, and kids would be wise not to mouth off.
As for the 13 year old girl who is being charged as an accessory, I think that is outrageous! How is a 13 year old going to be brave enough or smart enough to stand in the way of an angry boy? How is she going to know what his intentions are or if he is serious or not? Her brain is not fully formed, she is a child. If she is charged, then I think they should charge everyone Treacy texted of his intentions and hold them responsible too, because they didn't stop him. Everyone failed this boy, but he will pay for everyone's failure!
awww...was the little girl mean to the poor pathetic boy??? does he want his mommy and his blanky???? We've all been failed by people in our lifes...we dont go around trying to beat others to death!!!!
Crime is a choice. No matter what the triggers. Constant defending and making excuses for criminals has created a society in which this happens. Even if he was mentally retarded he is still dangerous to others and should be treated as such.
Note that criminal defence attorneys make a good living making excuses and lying to defend criminal behavior.
I have to start out by saying what he did was very wrong, but at the same time, that girl overstepped boundaries that shouldn't ever be crossed. We live in a world where extreme actions and comments are the only things ever noticed, and with such an environment, events like these will only increase. Sure, what happened is very, very wrong, and supporting it would be a disgusting thing to do. What would have happened if he reported this to an adult? Most likely nothing. It'd have just been ignored, until something happened like this. People who make comments like that about people who have died like that, would likely only learn a lesson by some extreme like this any way, which is very sad because if a parent or someone actually put their foot down, the girl wouldn't have listened regardless. Also have to make a comment on the Autism/ADHD note they dropped in there. That is disgusting that they'd even bring that up, like Autism is some sort of sign that he is crazy and mentally unstable. The obvious cause of this was a young girl who didn't understand boundaries, and pushed way to much. Remember, what happened to her was very wrong, but what she did was an atrocious act of hate. She should be charged for some sort of hate crime, but the guy who beat her needs to be charged for attempted manslaughter. There is no real good side to this story. Only negatives where both sides were in the wrong.
I can't believe what I see adults??? saying here!! The boy has serious issues no doubt but because the girl said he was a "rapist" and "go visit ur brother" she deserves to be beaten to death???? Or if she should some how recover, charged with a hate crime??? My GOD!!!!!!! This is unbelievable.............makes me ashamed to be part of the so called human race........the comments here are sick
At some point that girl needs to be accountable for her her behavior, too. the comment about his dead brother was cruel. you know, sometimes words can cause just as much pain. no way am i condoning beating someone but what the heck is her problem that she has to be so cruel to someone. and karen, she is not dead. if one of my daughters would have said something like that to another human being, i would have knocked the sh*t out of them but I did not raise my children to be so cruel. they have manners. somewhere something went wrong with her. what she did was just evil.
So what do you suggest mslexie? Should the girl be charged with "saying hateful things"? I think you should run to Washington right this very minute to lobby congress to pass a law and make it illegal for people to "say hateful things". And after that, I will lobby for a new law to make it illegal for Childish adults to be able to walk freely among us because they are just too sensitive and stupid to live in the real world let alone breed.
Excuse me before it got this far she ask him to stop calling and texting her.MISSED THIS DID YA?
Some girl she knows "borrows" her phone to text him. Then, he keeps texting back and won't stop. He demands she pass his messages to the other girl. She tells him no and to stop calling/texting HER phone. He insults her and it escalates from there. Amazing how they left all that out.
I'm trying to understand the bloggers whose sympathy is with the boy. His brother committed suicide. He has ADHD. She hurt his feelings. And that excuses him for aggravated assault and attempted murder? We have just recently got the courts to see that women didn't "get what they deserved" when raped. But a foul mouthed kid does when a bigger, older boy beats her to near death? He had every right to be angry. He had NO right to try to kill her. Y'all are warped.
If we follow the "logic" that some bloggers are using, then those that sympathize with the violent kid should be taken out and killed by those of us who think he should be held responsible for his actions. You're the ones that are saying that she went over the line and got what she deserved. Taking that line of reasoning to it's logical conclusion, we who believe in justice are within our rights to beat the @#$% out of you and send you to your area hospitals. Don't you see the absurdity in this...at all?
I agree that he took it too far, but I disagree with some of your analogies.
I believe they should first consider psychiatric help rather than just sticking him in prison. I'm not aware of the correct English term, but translating it literally from Dutch: there's such a thing as softening circumstances. His general mental state in general should be taken to into consideration. A serious depression is in fact a valid point to be made in court and he may very well have been suffering from one.
While I don't think this excuses what he did to the girl, I think it'll be best for both him and other people that he'd get psychological help rather than just jail time. I'm aware some people might see this as "getting off easy", but I'd like to stress that we aren't aware of his general mental state.
There seems to be a trend in the younger generation of violence these days that escalates into our worst fears, but I believe it is all preventable.
Some of these young kids appear to have a "non-chalant" attitude in their acts and behaviors towards attacking others. Where a young Irish girl was driven to suicide a few months back and a couple of boys were driven to murder at Columbine a few years ago tells me American teens believe there are no consequences for their behaviors or actions.
I do not believe parents; schools; churches; the courts; law enforcement and the public in general even see or recognize there is a problem here. Not until it comes to their community and shocks them into seeing the "red flags" we all ignore.
Sadly, I also believe the courts; law enforcement and the media deal with these cases based on racial and background factors as well whereas if this incident had taken place on an Indian reservation or an inner city ghetto, there would be no story publicized at all and the outcome would range anywhere from a minority youth receiving police brutality to an excessive and extreme sentencing in prison with no front page article.
The youth need to understand that there are consequences to their actions no matter what race or background they are, but I'll bet this young man will see no jail time and be given counseling instead, that is just the American way of perpetuating the problem, while ignoring the responsibility.
Could be because you have defense attorneys tell everyone that it's not their client's fault, circumstance drove them to it, they lost all sense of reality. Bull! They did it cause they thought they could get away with it, they have an overbearing sense of privilege.
This is exactly why children do not need cell phones....we just had a sexting article on here a couple weeks ago...People stop getting your kids phones...we didnt need them they dont....make your child get a job and pay for their own phone if they want one...kids are spoiled and that little girl should never have instigated that situation like she did in her texts....teenagers are very unstable and you cant push them like that...I feel sorry for both parties....
This has nothing to do with cell phones. This is an animal that needs to be put to sleep. He was going to snap at some point. Over something.
I think Indigenous Man and NotPClever are right on the money. Personal responsibility for one's behavior is a dying value in our country, and lawyers and others help perpetuate this decline in order to get their client off. This young man was not "crying out for help" any more than a thug saying to you "I am going to kick your ***" is a cry for help. It is annoying to watch these attorneys twist circumstances to make everyone else responsible for their client's behavior. There is no evidence that this young man would not have killed this girl had he not been pulled off of her. Let him stand trial as a young adult and face the consequences.
driftwoodstrings, I agree with you, but both parties were wrong. In fact, Kayla Manson should never have pointed her "friend" out to him. Several questions here: Why was the 13 year old girl dating? Why does every child need a cell phone when this is what they do with them? Texting is a ridiculous habit that engulfs people of all ages.
Why didn't anyone who knew this boy tell someone of authority? The reason is because today's children do not think they have to answer to anyone. Schools, Departments of "Social Services", public school indoctrinators, all kinds of media outlets, psychologists and liberal minded parents who are more interested in being their children's friends are encouraging this behavior of irresponsibility.
Yet people will continue to belittle the "Father Knows Best" and "Ozzie and Harriet" days. Figure out the connection, and if any of you were not alive during those days, don't even try to tell me what was wrong with them.
Wow! I find myself feeling sorry for the boy! I can't believe it. I started into this story thinking the boy who did this is sadistic but on this rare instance I feel this boy REALLY DOES have emotional circumstances which pushed him over the edge.
In this case I believe intense counseling may be what he needs. I'm not an expert in this type of thing but prison seems to be a waste in this case.
As for the girl, I sincerely hope she pulls through and makes 100% recovery, but she isn't completely innocent in this. That's one MEAN SPIRITED girl.
Betsy I agree with everything you said. My heart truly goes out to the boy, to be provoked to that measure, the girl was truly heartless. I hope she recovers and learn from her error.
I would be more sympathetic to the boy if he hadn't already made threats against the vile-mouthed victim BEFORE she said anything about his brother. Sure she was out-of-line, and she has paid dearly for it. What has been his consequences? Nothing, yet. He could have verbally continued the harangue they were doing and not gone homicidal. Do you really want to blame the victim for her own near-death experience? Did the adults in the young man's life get him any help after the suicide? How about hold the adults responsible, too, for this tragedy. There are certainly factors in this case that we know nothing about, and we clearly aren't going to get them from his lawyer if they put his client in a bad light.
Yes, now that I have seen those texts she sent to him, I think he should get probation. That was one nasty little girl. What she wrote there was like a caricature, if you saw it in a movie, you wouldn't take it seriously.
I don't think what he did was right, but that little girl was absolutely horrible to him. She probably felt anonymous because he didn't know what she looked like. If this is what kids are texting to each other, no wonder they are getting in fights.
And yes, a 15 year old boy could stay mad for 3 miles on his bike, easily. In fact, 3 miles would just pump him up, get his juices going and make him think less about it. An adult maybe would calm down, but not a 15 year old. I've dealt with that. to calm down a 15 year old in athletic kid, you need at least 20 miles on a bike, and to be guaranteed of the job you need 50.
He was 15. He isn't going to do that again. He had reason. Even the law recognizes "fighting words".
really?? so the next time someone is "horrible and nasty " to me I have the right to go off on them and beat them near to death?? RU stupid?? ooppsss....Im being nasty to you...I guess you now have to right to try and stomp me to death!!! Get real!!!
I also agree with you, and judging from your +9 rating on your post, seems most the people here agree with you too.
I don't think he should be put in jail for attempted murder, It's pretty clear he needs intense counseling and it's partially the parents and state's fault for not providing it earlier.
I think the girl is very much to blame and should be charged with something. Sure she got the short in of the stick here and she's the one in a coma, but you can't go picking fights and then whine about it when you get your ass beat.
Not only that but even before this she kept calling him a rapist because he was dating her friend, and this also infuriated him because he knew girls that had been raped according to the article.
Seems like they're both equally as guilty.
It doesn' matter how mean spirited she is, what he did was wrong, and as they said he waited over 3 hours and then rode his bike 3 miles, to beat the crap out of her. He should do jail time, and see a doctor for a long long time. The boy has issues. Shame on his parents for now making him get help when he found his brother.
I don't think anyone thinks what this boy did was less than horrific. But there is serious fault on both sides. If nothing else, every parent and school should use this tragedy to teach some important lessons.
1) Never assume that what you text or post is anonymous.
2) Words are weapons too.
3) If you have nothing nice to say keep your mouth shut.
Just take a look as several of the posts here and you will have the answer as to why stuff like this keeps happening. You people are blaming the girl for pushing this boy too far. Really? So when your own kids starts running their mouth, and they will, they all do, you will all be ok with the person that beats themso badly they have severe brain damage right? Doesn'tt matter what that girl said to him. HE is 100% to blame here. And with parents like the ones posting on this thread it's no surprise at all that we have 15 year old boys beating 15 year old girls nearly to death. Because hey, your kids are so weak minded they can't deal with harsh words without resorting to violence right. Maybe if people would pay even half assed attention to their kids maybe some of these mentally disturbed children will be identified BEFORE they kill, or nearly kill someone. But hey, who has time for that. Just blame it on someone else right? Pathetic, truely pathetic.
No this guy is right. What you're doing would only make your precious little angel feel as if she didn't do anything wrong and guess what? She'd do it again and again, beg for attention for it, and ruin lives. No, what he did was wrong but you know what? She was unknowingly -begging- for it. Like it or not words have meaning, and not everyone was raised in a setting where if someone calls you out you ignore it. You may -think- that's what happens but face it: It's a new day, someone disrespects you like that at 15 at such a deep level there's not going to be a cup of tea and a meeting with the parents. Period. They aren't 'mentally disturbed', they're not some schizophrenic mental patient. It's called emotions, and it's a fact that ANYONE can be pushed over the edge, even you. I'll dare to say that at fifteen seeing things like that and then having some 'little angel' who hasn't so much as dealt with a pet dying acts like it's okay to make fun of your dead brother isn't exactly -soothing-. You don't just act like he's 100% responsible, the kid has triggers and she pushed all of them thinking there were no consequences. People are different, and whether you like it or not that girl learned a lesson. Really, to be honest it should be a crime to do what -she- did, then maybe the whole thing could be avoided and no one would have been hurt. You don't go around stabbing people in the heart, or this is what happens. The world is not a place where there's bad guys and good guys, wake up! Every person in this world has triggers, we're all capable of terrible things, the sooner you realize that the faster you don't sound so ignorant when you say something. It's not fair to anyone and honestly you're just hiding in your black and white world.
I don't get it.Did you not read what he said to her about her father.Truth or not about her father that was a very hurtful thing to say to her at the age of 15. She said the most hurtful thing that came to mind after he told her to go see her dead father that abused her.Oh by the way her father is not dead,but do we know if he had abused her? I don't find one no more hurtful than the other.But she did not call her friends and say I m going to kill him!
I don't pity her at all. She KNEW his brother was dead and still took a shot at him. That's something that's absolutely off limits no matter how pissed off you are. I hope she makes it through this, but If it was me I probably would have kicked her ass too. As for the boy, he went too far but I think he just snapped. Losing a sibling is a very hard thing to deal with and hopefully in the future he'll deal with his feelings over this.
Yes, I agree. She also rode him by calling him a rapist because he had a girlfriend 2 years younger. She was way out of line. At that age, I might have slapped her or beaten her with body shots, but I wouldn't have kicked her in the head to really kill her. But, he was pushed into a murderous rage.
I remember a paper on male versus female physiology with word conflicts. In females (all adults, both sexes) when they were arguing, pushing and baiting with a man, their adrenals were barely secreting. But for the men, their adrenals kicked in big time. The men's adrenals started secreting at the beginning, and just kept secreting more. Meanwhile, the women just had this low level. In other words, the women enjoyed the process of yelling and arguing, but the men didn't. This is a fundamental difference in physiology between male and female.
Didnt your parents teach you anything??? Words are just words!! You cant go around trying to kill every person who says something that makes you mad!! Do really think some where down the road someone else wont' take a shot at his dead brother?? Then what?? He is allowed and justified in kicking them near to death?? BS!!! The thing that seperates us from animals is our ability to control ourselves!!! If you cant control your anger and let shi# roll off then you are a risk to the rest of society and should be taken off the streets
You know what you do when someone you don't know is sending you insulting texts. You block their number. This is not the first time she has insulted him. If he didn't enjoy getting worked up about it he would have/should have blocked her number or ignored her altogether. Noone diserves to be beaten or charged for what she texted. He should be charged and they both should have to appologise to eachother. He should also seek counseling and should have from the beginning. If all she said regarding his brother is that he should go visit him. That is not an insult and he has some serious issues.
Everyone has an excuse for this boy and when one doesn't pan out they move on to the next! He threatened her because she said something about his dead brother, it's pointed out that he made the threats BEFORE she mentioned his brother so NOW it's "oh well she called him a rapist and he knows girls that were raped". OH Please!!! People need to stop making excuses for this piece of garbage!! He attacked her 3 HOURS after the messages were sent and rode his bike 3 MILES.....plenty of time for him to calm himself down so it was NOT something he couldn't control! As for the comments from "Betsy Ross American" YES she IS innocent in this!!!! Since when do WORDS warrent an attack like this?!?!?!? You feel sorry for someone who could do something like this to another human being and SHE is the "mean spirited" person in this situation????? I feel sorry for YOU that you are so blind. And Gogolbordello, well you're just too damn stupid for me to respond to the nonsense you posted!!!
Dawn two wrongs don't make a right, however to touch on the brother issue that was too cruel for words.
While I believe we must all be held accountable for our actions, the three hours and three miles isn't proof of much. Anger episodes can last a long time. If you firmly believe that "oh 3 hours and 3 miles is PLENTY of time to calm down!" you don't know very much about mental states and their impacts. Again, I am not saying people shouldn't be held accountable, but what I am saying is that if truly in a fit of anger, in an unstable mental state, yes, it CAN last through hours and exercise.
For many, the only way they can insure that will not harm themselves or others during such horrible situations is use of sedatives or taking yourself into the ER every time you have an episode. If someone has not been diagnosed with PTSD (which I will be shocked if he doesn't have after seeing his brother dead) how would they know any of the coping strategies or have any medication to prevent this type of thing from happening? He needs medical attention, not just police attention.
The boy needed therapy and our "so wonderful" school system did not see it. His parents are probably still in really bad shape themselves since they lost a son. Sorry but this girl is not just the poor victim here, in a way she asked for it. I feel sorry for both parties in this case. I hope both parties will recover from this, and learned their lesson. But most of all I hope both parties will get the therapy they all need now.
This has nothing to do withe evil of technology or how kids today are more aggressive. This is a clear case of PTSD, and no one gave the kid any help so he snapped after he was basically told to hang himself.
Sorry, but no. That girl absolutely brought it on herself. I read what she wrote to him and it made me mad. Obviously, that nasty little girl was vicious. And yes, the law does recognize "fighting words" as a defense. A 15 year old boy who has lost a brother to suicide whose father is in prison is going to get furious and no, it won't go away.
Seriously, reading what that nasty little girl wrote made me want to beat the crap out of her. For her parents, I'm very sorry for what happened to your child, but dear god she was awful.
Comment to John Toradze - you are a scary man! What happened to you to be so hateful and speak to vile about a 15 year old girl. You sound like you need to be put away yourself!
This is a tragic incident for all parties involved. However, there is a lesson that we can all learn. First, I highly doubt that the young woman would have had the courage to say to the young man's face what she put in writing. Simply, with respect to teenagers, there is an unhealthy assumption that sending negative messages via text is not as bad as saying it in person. That is NOT the case. In fact, reading negative comments can be more hurtful than having someone say it to you because as you read it there is a tendency to engrave into your memory.
With regards to parents, if you supply your kids with cell phones you should at least insist that they use them correctly. After all, how many of us would give a teenager a car and not monitor their driving behavior? Parents need to warn their kids that the their cell phone are not to be used as a "weapon" for waging war on others. There has been too many cases of teenagers inappropriately using their parent issued cell phones to either bully/harass someone or to send pornographic materials via the airwaves. This has got to stop! Parents, teenagers, schools, and society at large must take action to reduce "text rage."
The young woman clearly did not deserve the beating she received. As for the young man he needs to undergo not only anger management sessions but also some therapy to help him get over the death of his brother. I do not believe prison will provide that kind of rehabilitation. Good luck to all.
ALL kids are mean.ALL-ALL-ALL. Got it? That does not make what he did right.She deserved some kind of ass-whippin' but not to the extent that she got.That boy has some serious issues to be able to do that.
I wonder how big the crowd of kids was,standing around,watching,doing nothing?
When she said her dad was dead, he said he don't give a f*** not knowing that her dad could really be dead. So he can dish it out but he cant take it. I don't really feel sorry for this vicious kid. She was vicious too but didn't deserve what she got. Beating someone nearly to death can't be justified other than in self defense or to protect someone else's life.
The girl deserved what she had coming for her, I guess. She found his weak spot, so he put her in a coma.
Please tell me you are kidding-he didn't just smack her in the face or shove her and tell her to shut up-he tried to stomp her to death with steel toed boots. This comment of yours would really anger the family; I hope they don't put on their boots and stomp you almost to death! But if they did, you would of course be to blame, right?
I agree with Evellyn.After reading your comment Jennifer that she deserved it. Well you need to be slapped upside the head so you can rethink what you wrote.
They edited out the whole sections of the situation and conversation and homed in on just her one or two lines?
Some girl she knows "borrows" her phone to text him. Then, he keeps texting back and won't stop. He demands she pass his messages to the other girl. She tells him no and to stop calling/texting HER phone. He insults her and it escalates from there. Amazing how they left all that out.
He wouldn't leave her alone. He could have stopped at ANY point, but he didn't.
He had plenty of opportunities to stop. He had plenty of chances to leave, calm down, and think for a change. Instead, the only thinking he did was how to commit murder.
He chose to bike all the way home, chose to get steal-toed boots, chose to bike to her school, chose to seek her out and chose to try and BRUTALLY kill her. He didn't fully succeed, but that does not excuse his choice to try. There is no excuse for that. None.
We ALL have bad things happen in our lives. I've had way more then my share. Even so, you don't any of us going out murdering people like that. This was his choice.
The insanity plea was only ever meant to cover "heat of the moment" where there was no chance for rational thought. He had plenty of chances. He made plenty of choices. All of them bad.
And that so-called "friend" of hers, Kayla, is no friend. I am sure he expressed anger to Kayla such as "where is that b!tch Josie? I'm gonna kill her!" or looked angry when he asked which girl was Josie, yet Kayla didn't care and threw her friend under the bus by ratting her out to this evil kid. I'm not totally convinced she was clueless as to what was going on. My question is, where is this boy's mother in all of this? If she knew her son had anger issues due to his brother's suicide, why didn't she get him counseling before he went ballistic? He was just a ticking time bomb. Another case of a parent who is not involved in her child's life. And I agree with you, Open Eyes-1760970, he had plenty of opportunities to cool down, but he had an intent to kill, even if he didn't succeed. I do not believe for one moment that he has suffers from insanity, but every murderer and rapist always ends up being deemed "insane", it's the technique du jour of defense attorneys, but hopefully the jury will see the truth.
Guys. He was 15 years old and his life was crap. He was an angry kid and now it's all out in the open. If he doesn't go to prison, he won't do it again. If he does, he will be surrounded by people who will think he's great for trying to kill Josie.
No one is saying that he should not be held accountable. He will be punished.
But the punishment should be in line with the circumstances and the fact that he is 15. This treating him like an adult is crap.
awww...poor poor boy....was the little girl mean to him and hurt his widdle feelings???? Does he want his mommy or his binky??? GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK PEOPLE!!!
They are both to blame in this. they both provoked each other! But he went to far. They both need help, her for her bad adittude and he for his unresolved issues, which should have been delt with right away after finding his poor brother. I have no sympathy for either party for there actions but as a nation we need to start addressing the issues of our younger generation or it's just going to keep getting worse then it already is.
RNelson, I wholeheartedly agree with the above statement. See my post in 4.6.
High school and middle school can be brutal. Many adults like to sugarcoat their mishaps and stupidity as they are so far detached from that world. However, people can be malicious, dramatic and flippantly say things they don't mean. Unfortunately, this "boy" (murder is not the instinct of a child therefore he is an adult) needed serious mental help. Admittedly the girl said some harsh words to the man but he must be held accountable for his actions. Accountability for one's actions doesn't exist anymore for many of you it seems. The defense will point fingers at his brother's death, father's arrest and knowing other rape victims (good luck with that one...), which pushed him over the edge. There is no justification for what this man did. She will have to spend a lot or all of her life in a wheelchair, unable to move, talk, change her own clothing, go to the bathroom alone. You don't understand the importance of these things until they are taken away. In addition, the medical expenses her family has to endure are beyond what some may be able to fathom. To those of you who believe she deserved this, I feel sorry for you. You don't hold people accountable for attempted murder. No middle school/young person deserves to be beaten. A parent gives a child a time out for their bad actions. An adult goes to jail for their bad actions. Teenagers shouldn't be able to slip through the cracks of the justice system. Any other person over the age of 18 wouldn't stand a chance in court. He needs help and he needs to serve his time for his actions.
I personally believe that this girl deserved what came to her, but I also belive he COULD of been more subtle... though I empathize with him because I know what he feels like with a loss of a dear loved one and then someone baggin on them... this girl deserved what she got and I say this 15 year old boy is only guilty in the eyes of the parents of this girl I say he is innocent and that he did what every younger brother/person would do for their older siblings and or other family member and that is defending their name and reputation... and of course his friends wouldnt do anything to hold him back because they think it to be a joke they most likely think he is kidding as is in the case of suicidal people many people think that they are only joking that they are going to one day kill themselves... or in this case kill/injure someone else... yes yes I see all the comments "the younger generation is getting worse blah blah blah" its only getting worse because the older generations are just as bad as the younger generations and dont say otherwise :P i see adults who are SUPPOSED to act their age and such yet they act like a 5 year old and areso greedy and selfish and immature so dont you older ones say that we are immature because you elderly and adults can/are/is as us teenagers and younger :P She deserved it for starting this conflict, not taking him seriously, and taunting him more despite her knowing his status his freinds are accomplices by not holding him back and not taking him seriously He is innocent in my eyes and doesnt deserve to be charged as an adult also why isnt the girl being charged? LAWYER DUDE COUNTER SUE FOR HARRASING YOUR CLIENT!!! COUNTER SUE FOR HER KNOWING ABOUT HIS LIFE AND BARRAGING HIM DESPITE HER KNOWING!!! COUNTERSUE HER SAYING SHE KNEW HE KNEW RAPED GIRLS AND ATTACKED HIM WITH THAT!!! COUNTER SUE FOR VERBAL ASSAULT! COUNTER SUE AND FIND PROOF THAT SHE KNEW THAT HE HAS MENTAL DISORDERS!!!! DONT JUST DEFEND YOUR CLIENT ATTACK THEM!!!! THE BEST DEFENSE IUS A GOOD OFFENSE!!! THAT WAY YOU DONT NEED YOUR DEFENSE!!! NOW FIGHT BACK AND TALK TO THOSE JUDGES LIKE A REAL MAN!!! SETTLE DOWN THE CHARGES!!! SETTLE DOWN THE CROWD SETTTLE DOWN THIS!!! IF YOU DID NOT AND I REPEAT DID NOT COUNTERSUE THEM YOU DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB YOU LOST A BATTLE BUT DID NOT LOSE THE WAR NOT FIGHT BACK FOR YOUR CLIENT!!! no I am not being irrational no i am not saying he doesnt need some time in the slammer or some where else to think, but I am showing you the otherside of the conversation DONT BE SEXIST AND SAY "damn that girl did not deserve that... this guy needs to go to jail" lets look at this the other way around what if it was a 15 year old girl and she was dating a 13 year old boy this girl has ADHD and this 13year old boy's so-called "friend" starts to txt this girl and starts to verbally assault this girl... this girls snaps and drives or whatever 3 miles to his school and beats the living snot out of him what happens then?!? THE GIRL IS SEEN AS A HERO!!! she has smaller charges goes to juveunile hall and spends there for a month or so or maybe a year and this boy is either dead or in the hospital and is seen as a total dickhead and is paying this girls family because he verbally assaulted this "poor, innocent girl" is this case suddenly this girl isnt in as much trouble as a boy would be i say retrial i say the jury(if there was one) is sexist and biased because its the same old story of man beats woman NO i am not sexist BUT i do believe that in everycase of man vs. woman sexism seems to come into play and if the woman is guilty she doesnt get that much charges, or they arentas severe BUT if the man is guilty he gets a ton of charges, or they ARE severe... I empathize with this boy and i believe this girl deserved to get beaten... not near death or death itself, but, to pulp or atleast to a point when she is begging for mercy... AND THAT LAWYER BETTER FIGHT BACK AND CALLA RETRIAL WITH A NEW JURY AND TAKE OUT THE FACT OF SEXISM!!! PUT IN HALF MALE HALF FEMALE!!! IF THEY ARE SEXIST TAKE THEM OUT INSTANTLY!!! IT WILL RUIN THIS AS A FAIR TRIAL!!! I SAY TO HIM/HER TO COUNTERSUE FOR VERBAL ASSAULT COUNTERSUE!!!!! that is all.... reply if you want to i dont really care agree or disagree same thing :P just have a good day and thank you for reading this otherside of the story
You don't hit girls! You don't hit girls! You don't hit girls!
Regardless of what the girls say, you don't hit them.
This kid gave that no thought. Think maybe had he gotten a little older and gotten married, he might become a wife beater?
I don't care if the girl was running off at the mouth, that's what almost all teenagers do. Something was missing from this kids upbringing before the death of his brother. Otherwise, why did his brother kill himself? His family is severely dysfunctional. I hope this kid doesn't have any other brothers or sisters for his parents to ruin.
You might use big words but it seems you have a small mind. NOBODY deserves to be HIT. NO ONE. Not even you.
Some girl she knows "borrows" her phone to text him. Then, he keeps texting back and won't stop. He demands she pass his messages to the other girl. She tells him no and to stop calling/texting HER phone. He insults her and it escalates from there. Amazing how they left all that out.
You make no sence.
Nothing justifies what he did, but young people need to learn to not be mean to others. There is no doubt in my mind that if she hadn't sent that horrible text, he would not have done what he did. Having a family memeber commit suicide is a tough loss(and finding the person hanging, horribly traumatic).People need to learn to have compassion for others. Stop saying hurtful things to each other!!!!
Think maybe he was lacking the teaching from his parents?
This is such bs. The boy knew what he was doing. And if he is so messed up mentally because of his brother's suicide he should have been at an institution. Then he would have never had the conversation that led to him almost killing a girl. He threatened her life BEFORE she said anything about his brother... they say "Oh but she called him a rapist and he KNOWS girls who have been raped...". SO?! I don't mean to sound mean but that's stupid. Congrats! He knows people who have been raped. I do, too. My father is dead, he killed himself. And I have had people make horrible remarks about him since his death. Magically **gasp** I didn't try to kill any of them! Either lock the boy up in prison or say "Awe, he didn't mean it... he's just mentally unstable he couldn't help but almost stomp in this poor girls head..." and send him to a mental institution. Either way, put him away for a LONG time.
Meanwhile, lesson learned(?) by the evil little girl who set him off ... she is lucky to be alive, and hopefully, she will learn to control her mouth in the future.
A good lesson to all in the day and age ...
YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR WORDS AND ACTIONS!!!
thats like they used to blame a women getting raped because she dressed provocatively or "teased" or flirted with a man then he gets pissed off and rapes her....they use to say it was the womens fault for behaving that way....so whats the diff here? The poor poor boy was teased by the mean little girl so he is allowed to go off??? get real!!
She had it coming to her. Talking to anyone like that is ridiculously stupid. And all of this started over her telling him who he could and couldn't be with. I can understand protecting a friend, but calling the guy a rapist and taking cheap shots at his family isn't the way to go. She earned what he gave her. She hurt him emotionally on purpose. There were no restrictions on her part. If you're going to provoke someone into violence like that, don't be too shocked if you're the one getting attacked. She was vicious, and I hope she survives this knowing that she messed up and went too far. And maybe she'll have enough brain cells to learn from it and not do it again.
WHAT??????????????????? You need HELP. You must be a abusive male to females. And I bet you think you are better then females. You deserve more pay and better jobs. Well for some one as stupid as you, you should be saying do you want fries with that burger. And hopefully someone you know will help you before you kill someone or kill someone else.
Tracy I agree with you. You are exactly right and this kid needs to pay the price for his bad decision. I also think this kids parents need to be neutered and spayed so they can't have anymore kids to ruin.
awww...poor poor boy....was the little girl mean to him and hurt his widdle feelings???? Does he want his mommy or his binky??? GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK PEOPLE!!!
I guess you did not see this not so-smart
Some girl she knows "borrows" her phone to text him. Then, he keeps texting back and won't stop. He demands she pass his messages to the other girl. She tells him no and to stop calling/texting HER phone. He insults her and it escalates from there. Amazing how they left all that out.
I can't believe what I'm reading here: the girl deserved what she got??? You people are sick. Did you bother to read the article? Did you read the article when this first happened?...not the follow ups to it?
For starters the girl and boy didn't know each other. He started making the threats BEFORE she ever said anything about his brother. The boy's girlfriend had to point out to him who Josie is. For three hours the boy is making threats...goes home and changes into steel toed BOOTS and rides 3 miles to find Josie. Have any of you saying Josie deserved this ever seen a pair of steel toed boots? Have you ever held a pair of those to know how damn heavy they are?
Every one on this forum at one time or another has said something they shouldn't...whether in jest or not. But to say this girl deserved what she got is absolutely deplorable! For three hours this boy rants and raves and no one says a word to his mother or anyone else that could possibly bring him to his senses and the boy goes around the bend.
The boy was obviously hanging on by a thread and needs help. And he sucked his girlfriend into the mess. What was she thinking? Why didn't she say something to someone? Well...now she is charged also.
A tragedy all the way around. I hope Josie makes a full recovery.
The kid came from a dysfunctional family. I think the parents should be looked at closely and not let off the hook.
Wow, I think you may need some counseling yourself dude!! Get to a Doctor, quick. Maybe a few issues with women, hmmmmm.
Indeed, nancy, you're right. I want to address something Acana said earlier about "mental states" and PTSD. This kid wasn't acting out of PTSD, because someone with PTSD wants to AVOID situations that resemble the trauma, not pursue them. (The psychologist on TODAY was misguided. Watch the prosecution get their own psychologist to testify the opposite viewpoint.) Three hours and a 3-mile bicycle ride to kill someone is a pursuit to cause trauma, not an avoidance or defense against traumatic reminders. This kid was in attack mode. Lawyers have often tried to get their clients off with a PTSD plea, but usually fail because PTSD is clinically not a justification or explanation for criminal behavior. Most courts know this. People with PTSD can commit all sorts of crimes, but PTSD doesn't cause criminal behavior. If a PTSD survivor gets violent, like waking up at night and choking one's bed mate, they are doing it because they are reacting defensively to a nightmare of the trauma. The violence is defensive in nature. This kid was not behaving defensively, but pursued his target. He was enraged, not terrified. PTSD is an ANXIETY disorder. The behavior of a PTSD survivor is rooted in anxiety, not rage. This kid was enraged, not anxious. Acana doesn't know his/her "mental states" either. You can see from the range of comments here, especially those who believe the girl "deserved what she got" that one doesn't need to have PTSD to justify this horrendous use of retaliatory violence. Plenty of people, including plenty of bloggers, think like this kid thought when he tried to kill this foul-mouthed girl.
You have to be kidding me... He was angry because of words on a cell phone, that is SICK. By now you would think he would have learned better to manage his emotions. Remember "Sticks and Stones" well I guess he wanted to break someones bones. It is sad that no one took him serious about looking for help BUT that does NOT excuse his behavior. I hope he is tried as and Adult and has to think about what he has done to another human being. Again this makes me SICK to my stomach. My head is spinning with anger, confusion, and pity. But that doesn't give any excuses.
Lacking in too many young people today...RESPECT!
I have the same questions I always have: where are the parents? Do they even have parents?
It's very sad and help will be needed by everybody still alive.
My brother committed suicide, and he didn't send up warnings of what he was going to do like these kids did. I still feel horrible guilt. At least I've been in contact with his children. It's been unbelievably hard on them. It doesn't make the guilt go away. I don't know if that ever will happen.
i honestly think this girl was in the wrong for not knowing when to stop, i mean common she thinks this guy is a rapist and not good for her friend then why would you provoke someone like that BUT NO MATTER WHAT he was wrong for what he did and should be tried as an adult because theres just no excuse for what he did but i suppose im just going off what Ive read from this article and the comments but seriously i feel sorry for the girl even i think shes a bitch.no one really deserves something like this
I guess you missed this as well.Don't you people read from the beginning.
Some girl she knows "borrows" her phone to text him. Then, he keeps texting back and won't stop. He demands she pass his messages to the other girl. She tells him no and to stop calling/texting HER phone. He insults her and it escalates from there. Amazing how they left all that out.
I am glad to see I am not alone in feeling compassion for this boy and how mean Ratley was to him. Of course he went too far, but she is responsible too. Treacy has just as much injury as Ratley, it's just that they are on the inside where they aren't seen and dealt with. He is hurt for life too.
I live where this occurred. Articles in our local paper stated that he actually witnessed his brother still hanging from the tree where he committed suicide last October 2009. The same articles also said Ratley's family described her by saying "she always loved to correct us when we were wrong" as if that is a good trait. Sounds to me like a flippant mouthy girl who doesn't know when to shut up and be respectful.
Kids today are so mean to each other with their words (in person and online). They think they can say/text whatever they feel and that there are no repercussions. If Treacy had complained about Ratley's text assault on him, would anything have been done about it? No I don't think so. Other teens have been harrassed on facebook, twitter, etc and nothing is done. We think the person being harrassed should just deal with it. There are no laws to stop the meanness. And this is not just normal playground meanness. It is over the top meanness. While it is true that "words will never kill me" it is also true that words can "pierce like a sword" and I feel that Treacy was actually hurt by Ratley's words in a very real way.
I have an autistic son in the 5th grade. I have seen firsthand how intolerant kids are of others. I believe parents today are not teaching tolerance, respect, and kindness to their children (including Ratley's parents). Realistically, children also need to know that if they say the wrong thing to the wrong person, they might get beat up for it. It shouldn't happen, but it does, and kids would be wise not to mouth off.
As for the 13 year old girl who is being charged as an accessory, I think that is outrageous! How is a 13 year old going to be brave enough or smart enough to stand in the way of an angry boy? How is she going to know what his intentions are or if he is serious or not? Her brain is not fully formed, she is a child. If she is charged, then I think they should charge everyone Treacy texted of his intentions and hold them responsible too, because they didn't stop him. Everyone failed this boy, but he will pay for everyone's failure!
awww...was the little girl mean to the poor pathetic boy??? does he want his mommy and his blanky???? We've all been failed by people in our lifes...we dont go around trying to beat others to death!!!!
Crime is a choice. No matter what the triggers. Constant defending and making excuses for criminals has created a society in which this happens. Even if he was mentally retarded he is still dangerous to others and should be treated as such.
Note that criminal defence attorneys make a good living making excuses and lying to defend criminal behavior.
I have to start out by saying what he did was very wrong, but at the same time, that girl overstepped boundaries that shouldn't ever be crossed. We live in a world where extreme actions and comments are the only things ever noticed, and with such an environment, events like these will only increase. Sure, what happened is very, very wrong, and supporting it would be a disgusting thing to do. What would have happened if he reported this to an adult? Most likely nothing. It'd have just been ignored, until something happened like this. People who make comments like that about people who have died like that, would likely only learn a lesson by some extreme like this any way, which is very sad because if a parent or someone actually put their foot down, the girl wouldn't have listened regardless. Also have to make a comment on the Autism/ADHD note they dropped in there. That is disgusting that they'd even bring that up, like Autism is some sort of sign that he is crazy and mentally unstable. The obvious cause of this was a young girl who didn't understand boundaries, and pushed way to much. Remember, what happened to her was very wrong, but what she did was an atrocious act of hate. She should be charged for some sort of hate crime, but the guy who beat her needs to be charged for attempted manslaughter. There is no real good side to this story. Only negatives where both sides were in the wrong.
I can't believe what I see adults??? saying here!! The boy has serious issues no doubt but because the girl said he was a "rapist" and "go visit ur brother" she deserves to be beaten to death???? Or if she should some how recover, charged with a hate crime??? My GOD!!!!!!! This is unbelievable.............makes me ashamed to be part of the so called human race........the comments here are sick
At some point that girl needs to be accountable for her her behavior, too. the comment about his dead brother was cruel. you know, sometimes words can cause just as much pain. no way am i condoning beating someone but what the heck is her problem that she has to be so cruel to someone. and karen, she is not dead. if one of my daughters would have said something like that to another human being, i would have knocked the sh*t out of them but I did not raise my children to be so cruel. they have manners. somewhere something went wrong with her. what she did was just evil.
ummm.....she was held accountable......she was nearly killed!!! And the boy decided to be judge and jury and executioner!!!! Get real!!
So what do you suggest mslexie? Should the girl be charged with "saying hateful things"? I think you should run to Washington right this very minute to lobby congress to pass a law and make it illegal for people to "say hateful things". And after that, I will lobby for a new law to make it illegal for Childish adults to be able to walk freely among us because they are just too sensitive and stupid to live in the real world let alone breed.
Excuse me before it got this far she ask him to stop calling and texting her.MISSED THIS DID YA?
Some girl she knows "borrows" her phone to text him. Then, he keeps texting back and won't stop. He demands she pass his messages to the other girl. She tells him no and to stop calling/texting HER phone. He insults her and it escalates from there. Amazing how they left all that out.
I'm trying to understand the bloggers whose sympathy is with the boy. His brother committed suicide. He has ADHD. She hurt his feelings. And that excuses him for aggravated assault and attempted murder? We have just recently got the courts to see that women didn't "get what they deserved" when raped. But a foul mouthed kid does when a bigger, older boy beats her to near death? He had every right to be angry. He had NO right to try to kill her. Y'all are warped.
If we follow the "logic" that some bloggers are using, then those that sympathize with the violent kid should be taken out and killed by those of us who think he should be held responsible for his actions. You're the ones that are saying that she went over the line and got what she deserved. Taking that line of reasoning to it's logical conclusion, we who believe in justice are within our rights to beat the @#$% out of you and send you to your area hospitals. Don't you see the absurdity in this...at all?
THANK YOU!!!!
I agree that he took it too far, but I disagree with some of your analogies.
I believe they should first consider psychiatric help rather than just sticking him in prison. I'm not aware of the correct English term, but translating it literally from Dutch: there's such a thing as softening circumstances. His general mental state in general should be taken to into consideration. A serious depression is in fact a valid point to be made in court and he may very well have been suffering from one.
While I don't think this excuses what he did to the girl, I think it'll be best for both him and other people that he'd get psychological help rather than just jail time. I'm aware some people might see this as "getting off easy", but I'd like to stress that we aren't aware of his general mental state.