He is going to divorce his wife over an affair that happened decades ago.
Maybe Antonio is trying to mimic the younger crowd in its established pattern of quick divorces. The infidelity that occurred 50 years ago should be forgotten. At 99, I am not sure what this man hopes to gain. His actions are self destructive.
We're all on borrowed time, and no he shouldn't forgive her. People think they can just do whatever they want and get away with it. Too bad so sad, she shouldn't have been a useless whore.
I don't agree. He might have had more than this one suspicion over the years and never had strong enough proof. He figures he will be damned if she gets anymore money from him when he's dead. No need for her to hang on to the past with letters. When you hold on to the past with an old love you never give all of yourself to your current lover. Let him cut his losses and teach his children that cheaters never prosper!
She gave it away herself by keeping the letters. Not only is she a cheat, she is a stupid cheat. He feels betrayed and insulted. If punishing her with divorce makes him feel better at this point then I see nothing wrong with it. Her marriage has been a lie.
Ann- That is exactly the point. Life is too short to spend one more minute with a duplicitous woman who, despite the obvious pain and anguish it would cause this man, kept mementos of the time she cuckolded her husband. It is one thing to carry on an apparently lengthy affair and another to keep and treasure the words of her lover.
The tragedy is he probably spent the majority of his life suspecting his wife of being unfaithful but remained faithful to her because he had no evidence of her adultery.
@Sp3kter, who are you to pass judgement? No, she shouldn't have done it but you have no right to sit there and name-call and pretend you're an expert on morality. Truth be told, you've done some things that you're not proud of and you know it.
By forgiving his wife, Antonio would do himself a big favor.
He and his wife have been married for 77 years.
This couple's long marriage has played a critical role in Antonio living to be 99 years of age. If he experiences a rapid physical decline after his divorce, it would not be surprising. At his age, emotional and physical separation can easily lead to a medial demise and eventual death.
I hope that the couple's children and grandchildren can talk Antonio out of his decision.
OMG - all these vindictive men. "One more minute" "duplicitous woman" "stupid cheat" "hang on to the past"
Have any of you men ever been in labor? NO. She delivered all his children, and she stayed and worked hard for him and for their family. Should she get all huffy and leave just because labor hurts? Come on, men expect infinite forgiveness from women, but they won't budge one inch for one moment of cheating. And she probably had put those letters somewhere about 60 years ago and forgotten about them herself.
I take adultery very seriously but I have to agree with Ann. Even being 99 I'm sure it still hurts, but getting a divorce is only causing him more pain. The guys 99 years old, he doesn't have time to hold grudges. 77 years is a long time to not forgive a person. We don't know about thier relationship but I'm sure he wasn't always the perfect husband, but she stayed by his side.
Sp3ktr3 that's a bit dramatic. She shouldn't have been a useless whore back in the 1950's? That useless whore is a great grand mother who raised that mans children and made his house a home. She's cared for him in sickness and health for 77 years. It speaks to his character that he went through with the divorce. It reveals a stubborness, to the point of rediculousness, that let's you know he probably didn't always put his family above his own pride. Yeah, that's a great idea hold a grudge against somebody who stood by you your entire life and die all alone. I bet his children are really pissed.
This is just so sad!!! His convictions, honor, whatever is motivating him to divorce after being married longer than most people live! If there was any couple who would be considered "one flesh" they would be it. What a loss to the both of them! Very, very sad.
someone above said something about questioning if the kids are really his... just do the math.. she was in her late 40s so my guess is she already had his children before the affair. And he is a sanctimonious idiot to divorce a woman who stayed with him for 77 years, what does he think he's gonna do? Men are insane.
If you guys are that vindictive, you're never going to have anyone stay around. Human beings make mistakes. I know you don't consider women to be "human" but, you know what I'm saying.
Afterall the guys Italian, he probably couldn't count the times he's cheated.
What does the man's priest say about this? Or was it the priest that his wife had the affair with? Anyway, he is in Italy, so most likely Catholic. He is not allowed to divorce, according to the Church, from what I've been told by Catholic friends.
Elizabeth-1372999... you are assuming that all the children she delivered are his. I'm not siding with the husband who chose to divorce his wife after 77 years but if that's what he has to do that's his perogative. He probably couldn't stand living with her with the thoughts of her keeping the lover's letters till this day. That would personally hurt me more than the cheating itself. But considering his age and the time the affair happened personally I would have forgave her and moved on but not everyone takes a cheating spouse the same way.
I wonder what he was doing at the time. Was he in the Italian Army? Did he keep his marital vows, or did he cheat on her (but did not write or receive letters) back then?
Hey Joy, math much? If this happened in the 1940's she would have been in her mid 20's to early 30's. She's 96 now so 70 years ago.....(2011-1941=??)
Asking about the paternity of her children becomes very relevant considering that this happened in the first few years of their marriage.
Now, to all you that say he should have stayed, since when did your opinion on his decision matter? It's his life, he can do whatever the hell he wants without permission from any of you. You don't know, she might have been an evil shrew for that entire time and he may have been a devout Catholic who needed a viable reason. She might have even been the perfect wife otherwise, but at the end of the day it's his decision. I recognize most of you from posts on other subjects and in most other circumstances you each push for more freedom of choice for the individual. Hypocrite much?
I get cracked up @ all these people & the issue of the "kids"! The oldest is probably 76 yrs old with the youngest somewhere in their 60's! True, they are still their children, but let's not think of them as children and more of them as adults, grand parents in some cases. Though it is kinda sad that after 77 yrs together he's ditching out, I mean damn, if she had a time machine or crystal ball, I bet she'd have left him eons ago.
Shut up, please. I have never read such sexist and feminist comments in my life. She CHEATED, he proved SHE CHEATED and he wants a divorce, if he cheated and she did nothing, then she is the stupid idiot who stays with a cheater. He wants no part with a cheater then so be it, he thinks about himself because at the age of ninety nine who gives a damn what everybody else thinks or suggests, his kids are OLD enough to understand that; if you cheat EXPECT the door. If you are willing to stay with a cheater then guess what, you're an idiot who you will stay with a liar and a person who couldn't care any less about you. And it is worse for him because he probably stood in the dark thinking she loved him and only him for seventy seven years, and it was completely wrong. WHO CARES ABOUT LABOR? No one. We are not talking about labor so shut the @!$%# up with that, the only people who care about women having to give labor are the pathetic women who seek attention and appraisal, stop using that crappy excuse of giving birth to try and bring benefits out of it. He did the right thing and you can shove your feminist ass somewhere else. No one should be with someone who deceived them, and especially a deception for that long.
Yeah, ok, Ann, Elizabeth and company; if this were a man cheating on a woman, you'd be the first of the misandrists wanting him to get what's coming to him. Interesting double standards there, chicks. She delivered all his children so it's ok to have an affair (who cares how long ago it was)? So I guess it's ok for all married women who have kids to cheat on their guys, huh? I pity your kids/husbands.
Christopher- I was just stating that there was probably more to this than we know. Most men wouldn't divorce someone for something they did 70 years ago if they were living in marital bliss. You have to understand that this man is 99 years old and is most likely Catholic. The Catholic church is pretty stringent on was constitutes reason for divorce. And you are right, it isn't for us to judge, it's thier business.
so she got a little on the side...momma mia!!!...no bigga deal.seriously i bet the guy was plowing the neighbor and anybody else he could coax...what a hypocrite
hey folks, she could have lied when he asked her what happened...but she told him about the affair....
that's if there was an affair...& she was not just telling him this info to get him upset because he went into her private letters & accused her of having an affair....
I'd sure be annoyed if my husband went through my papers at that age & accused me of stuff...might just agree with him to get him out of my life
& who says she has no money of her own....she could be wealthier than he...
hell hath no fury like an Italian woman wrongfully accused...stay tuned....much is possible over there...Italian women are standing up for themselves these days
I love the comment, "Watch out girls. He's back on the market!" Absolutely classic. And I notice a lot of the feministas are saying that he should forgive her. If the situation were reversed, they would be calling for him to be hung by his shriveled nuts.
The article says he just found out about the affair- so he didn't harbor a grudge for 77 years- for him- it just happened and this is a very fresh wound! AND he has to be thinking that at least one of the kids is not his (and the grandchildren...)
By forgiving his wife, Antonio would do himself a big favor.
ckon: I'm sorry, who said it couldn't be a forgivable offense? Of course it is. But the amount of time that has passed is NOT AN EXCUSE OR A REASON, as so many lowlifes here seem to accept. Sure let's all have affairs, keep it a secret for 30 years, and everything will be okay! Great!!!
25Walker: Of course he would, I agree. But you are just stating the obvious there.
Now can we please STOP misconstruing my post?
PS - LMAO at the person telling people to do the math yet gets the math wrong herself!! Half these comments are pure gold.
After his wife's affair, Antonio has remained married to her for 50 years. If there had not been any true bond between Antonio and his wife - their marriage would not have lasted 50 days - let alone 50 years!
At 99 years of age - what is the point?
At his age, does Antonio have another woman in mind to marry?
I think not.
Where will he live?
Probably with one of his children or grandchildren.
All around Antonio, there will be signs of his former union with his wife...the couple's oppspring, pictures and most of all memories.
Yes, he is hurt over the infidelity. However, Antonio is bringing more emotional and physical harm to himself by walking away from his wife of 77 years.
And for all the Right Wingers here who are collasping the comments on forgiveness - open your Bibles and read the scriptures that command Christians to forgive!
He shouldn't forgive her, those 50 years of marriage was a lie. She lied to him about an affair, who knows what else she lied to him about. That affair put the seed of doubt in his mind. He has every right to divorce her if he chooses. He might be christian, but the law enables him to divorce her if he wants to.
PS. you're assuming people are Christians. I care just as much for the bible as I do the Quran(which is nothing as you can tell).
The affair happened in the 1940s, probably during WWII. How many novels and movies have been made about "war brides"? Even though this happened less than a century ago, it was a completely different era than now. The world was spinning out of control, entire continents were at war with one another. Cast in today's light, it may as well have been ancient Rome. She probably had a momentary fling with a handsome Allied soldier, not knowing if her husband, who was probably in the Italian army at the time, was even alive. The Nazis weren't exactly kind to their Italian allies once Mussolini died and their support for Hitler began to falter.
If this prick with ears feels that way after a 60 year old mistake,then,she'll be the one better off!He won't live long enough to get over the divorce,or,maybe even see the day it happens.
Vivian...The woman probably CAN'T cheat at this point in her life. She's in her nineties! He obviously wants to prove a point...He'll probably die alone and victorious because he got rid of the cheating wife only to satisfy his ego.
How absolutely absurd to think she would cheat after all of those years. I understand him being upset, but after 77 years of marriage you would think he would be able to forgive her for something that happened over 50 years ago...and Vivian... you are an idiot.
Humm there is more to this story as I think about it . Too abrupt of a dicsion here , There must have been rough waters for the whole marraige to be so strong about this and so fast. Like I saod before her keeping the letters proved her devotion to the lover who imost likey.
You do realize that 1940's Italy was involved in WWII just like the rest of Europe, if this man was fighting for his country while she was at home doing the mailman or some German or American soldier I could certainly understand his disgust in her after all these years.
Even if he was not a soldier those would have been trying times and they would have been recently married at the time. Spending 70 years thinking you survived that together with each other only to find out she was doing someone else, and that IT MEANT ENOUGH TO HER TO KEEP THE LETTERS would certainly make anyone feel like a fool and their whole marriage was built on lies.
The man deserves better, she can go look up her dear loverboy and see how he is doing these days.
People love to punish other people. My cheating ex wife sought to punish me by cheating - she didn't think it was so funny when I punished her back by sending letters to everyone who supported her side in the divorce. In case you haven't traveled this road; during divorce friends write letters for the party they support to make a case that there friend should be the parent who gets primary custody of the kids.
People never forgive or forget - that is something the cheaters invented to feel better about them selves. It also is why Christians invented that do over rule...lmao.
Running the numbers, the couple were married during WWII and hadn't been married all that long when she had the affair. The ex-lover wrote to her a decade later. It's these letter the old fart found. Could very well be that it was a war marriage - common then - but that her affair was with the love of her life, so she kept his letters. He obviously never forgot her, either. As a Catholic, she couldn't get a divorce. Sweet she kept the letters. If it was true love, then that's all she had, other than memories, of the life and love she actually wanted but had to give up.
This is pitiful. This man has obviously spent many good days and years in the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s and up to and including today with this woman, who has borne him children, and they share grandchildren and one grandchild as well. I'm sure this over-reactive jackwagon has conducted himself perfectly for all those years - NOT! There is something else at work here; ego problems and his own evil are leading him to vengeance, for reasons that are not disclosed in the article. He either wants to leave her without funds or without the full benefit of a faith practice she may hold dear, ie, without the Eucharist, or he wants to divide and conquer in some way within the family, to deprive her of her family and to have her cast as an object of shame in her family and social circles. When the topic is two people pushing 100, it is sheer madness to "divorce" over a 70 year old letter. One can only imagine what it has been like to endure such a rigid and over-reactive jackwagon, and I side with the woman who is being put through this BS in her advanced years. I hope she can have some peace and some sufficient emotional and financial support from other members of her family who are a bit more solid than the vindictive loose-cannon she married. Just goes to prove there is no fool like an old, egotistical male fool looking for a decades-old pretext to throw his weight around. Jackwagon.
After his wife's affair, Antonio has remained married to her for 50 years. If there had not been any true bond between Antonio and his wife - their marriage would not have lasted 50 days - let alone 50 years!
At 99 years of age - what is the point?
At his age, does Antonio have another woman in mind to marry?
I think not.
Where will he live?
Probably with one of his children or grandchildren.
All around Antonio, there will be signs of his former union with his wife...the couple's oppspring, pictures and most of all memories.
Yes, he is hurt over the infidelity. However, Antonio is bringing more emotional and physical harm to himself by walking away from his wife of 77 years.
And for all the Right Wingers here who are collasping the comments on forgiveness - open your Bibles and read the scriptures that command Christians to forgive!
Matthew 6:14 - For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
@25Walker Again, you're assuming everyone here cares about the bible, Why don't you open your mind to the possibility that people believe differently than you.
Damn, I thought I was rusty after being out of the dating scene for only a year. This guys going to be like the tin man after a swim in the ocean. At least he won't have to deal with American woman who'll find him so irresistable..... as long as he has a few billion. Maybe he should have a quickie,or in his case, a weeky, to settle the score.
He probably won't live long enough to get his divorce. The average divorce in Italy takes 5 years or longer. I think they also have to be separated for 3 years and if they were young and had kids, it would take even longer.
LOL you folks are hilarious. If he's been with her for 77 yrs. if he leaves her he won't last a year at his age. He has to be doing it to cut her out of his will or he could be doing it just to get his name in the Guiness Book of World Records. Who knows?
Probably of looking at the same person after so many years and found an out of the marriage, don't know how he going to use his freedom and single life. But better do it quick. Get a prostitute and die happy.
He doesen't even remember he has a wife. Hell he probally doesen't even know he has a dick.. What i have dick hmmm Duhhhhh Time to take my meds wifey , i'll bend over for the injection. Heh thats no needle haha
I am sorry, but that's so cute that this old man could care enough all these years to still feel threatened and jealous about his wife having anything to do with anyone but him. I think the sixty year improved behavior should count for something in regards to his wife.
I hope the family helps him reconsider. Perhaps a trial separation so he has plenty of quiet, ALONE time to reflect might help. Oh yeah, leave a lot of family videos and photo albums, but NOT FROM THE FORTIES. Never mind, leave games, books, music and movies NOT from the forties.
She probably didn't even remember that the letters were in the closet, and he probably didn't remember all the married years since that time.
Dementia patients live in the distant past. People with dementia in their 90s, like my mother, often do not remember anything more recent than the '40s. At the end, my mother barely remembered that she was a newlywed, she didn't remember any of her children.
But does this give him a right to throw her away? My parents both lived in a nursing home; both had dementia. Both of them were sometimes angry at the other, because they knew that they were "responsible" and yet unable to care for the other. Nurses, and later hospice nurses, came to help. They gradually began to relax more. Still, after my mother died, my father perked up a bit because he didn't have to worry about somebody else.
A younger person's righteous anger about past incidents have nothing to do with the reality of the very elderly: they live in a different world. The old man probably is saying that he can't care for her anymore, and can't remember anything since those early years. The family needs to put him into a nursing facility away from her.
She knew the letters were there. Even if she has dementia now, she didn't when she hid them. They meant something to her, and that hurt that 99 year old man. Poor guy! I hope he gets some action from all the widows and older ladies around him!
What makes you think that a divorce happens because someone feels threatened or jealous?
I find it interesting that all of the women on here are calling him out for divorcing his wife, but I bet my last buck that if it was their husband that cheated on them they'd be telling her dump his sorry rear.
This woman broke her marriage vows. doesn't matter if it was 50 years ago or 50 minutes ago, she broke the vow, then LIED TO HIM FOR 50 YEARS.
Honestly, how would you feel if you were lied to for that long?
The answer is simple: TOTALLY disrespected...and that's the opposite of love.
Wow, I thought this was a light hearted story of two very old people in a very old marriage. However I see that there are some principles being argued here so I will respond more seriously.
It has happened to me. To find that my spouse was showing affection or attention to another, denied it all. Made me feel like something was wrong with ME for even thinking such a thing.
TEN YEARS LATER, I not only found a card from someone, but from the VERY PERSON I suspected. I was crazy with anger. I didn't want to hear his voice, see his face or be touched by him. I left him. Well, that just turned into a waste of money on an apartment where I was alone and bored and sad.
I started seeing someone who was inferior in many ways. Although I kept getting calls and daily begs to return home, my pride made me stay in my little lonely apartment.
Eventually I went back. I don't know what exactly happened to make me return. Some years later, the man who did not want kids, gave in to having one. I am happy with my child but I know I will never trust him EVER. No matter how much he makes me think something is in my head. I know what that felt like as well as learning that I was right after all. It upsets him that I don't trust him after all these years of his insistence that he's been faithful.
Obviously I will NEVER forget; Yet he is the one complaining about the cheating wife in this story....Go figure!
The husband has a right to be angry. I say make the wife BEG for forgiveness. What else can you do when you're old. She's with you now, it's better than ripping the family apart at this late stage. Also, we don't know if he's ever cheated.
You do realize that 1940's Italy was involved in WWII just like the rest of Europe, if this man was fighting for his country while she was at home doing the mailman or some German or American soldier I could certainly understand his disgust in her after all these years.
Even if he was not a soldier those would have been trying times and they would have been recently married at the time. Spending 70 years thinking you survived that together with each other only to find out she was doing someone else, and that IT MEANT ENOUGH TO HER TO KEEP THE LETTERS would certainly make anyone feel like a fool and their whole marriage was built on lies.
The man deserves better, she can go look up her dear loverboy and see how he is doing these days.
P.S.
The guy is lucky he lasted long enough to keep the liar from profiting from his death.
pjam09, if you read Elizabeth's excellent discussion re dementia at 7.2 above you will come to realize that in dealing with the very elderly the reality is very different than for someone middleaged or younger. What you write may or may not make sense for someone with decades of life ahead, but for folks pushing 100 it makes no sense.
Profiting from his death? They may each live a couple months or years longer at the maximum.
Hopefully some mature,sane and sensitive family members can give their two elderly parents the support and outside caregiving services one or both obviously needs so that what little time remains in their lives can be somewhat peaceful and without legal contention and this media sideshow. This is a pitiful situation as it stands now.
Why did she keep the letters all these years? Was she trying to get caught and hoping for forgiveness or remembering the good old days with her hot lover?
Why do I feel that she has been unhappily married for many years and kept the letters as a "feel good" thing. I know people who have been married a long time who still carry deep feelings for old boyfriends. I also know old men who were lying, cheating, disrespecting idiots who were quite jealous of their wives but didn't feel the need to be faithful themselves. In fact the most suspicious were those who were fooling around!! I am sure that they have help with their lives. Who knows what well meaning people are telling him? Sounds as thought it could have been a WWII or post WWII romance. What difference can it possibly make at this time of llife? I feel the whole story is not being told here.
I've been married 18 years and still haven't thrown out letters from my high school boyfriend from 1981. They were letters from when he was away in the Marines. During that time he died in a car crash. While it wasn't a cheating situation, I still can't let go of those letters.
K well thats messed up honestly if your married no past romance or sex should matter to you, love eachother and forsake all others thats what the vow contains, past is past destroy those letters and throw them out, you shouldnt keep a part of your heart or sexual thrive to anyone besides your husband or wife. Women sometimes are so stupid when it comes to letting go to their past FFS Im 20 and after seeing how dumb and irresonsible women are in emotional affairs I dont think I want to get married, I might just turn gay idk.
This happened in the 1940s. Could it be during WWII and the guy was a GI, her not knowing if she would live, if her husband was alive. That was a very different time than now. Maybe she kept the letters to remind her how bad things were then and how much better later. Point is we don't know why she had an affair and why she kept the letters. As for the name calling I've seen here, she will stand before God and He and He alone will judge her, as He will us all.
Bretton...you are too funny. At 20 you haven't been out of diapers long enough to figure this one out, let alone make judgement on the opposite sex. If you thinking about being gay then my guess is you probally are!
Gotta make him wonder if their children are his. That's why adultery is the worst thing married people can do to each other. Families unravel. Everyone loses trust, and people question their own identities.
"That's why adultery is the worst thing married people can do to each other. Families unravel. Everyone loses trust, and people question their own identities."
...and very well said wlv. Thanks, for sharing that.
Huh? They were together 77 years, and have 5 kids. What's to wonder. He raised the kids all these years, regardless of an affair (or possible genetics), they are HIS kids! I would hope that raising children, grandchildren and a great-grandchild would make someone sure they were their father much more than som blood test.
It's past the statue of limitations on deciding if they are 'his kids'
Are you for real. LOTS of marriages survive adultery, LOTS. And this affair happened 77 years ago. the "children" are senior citizens themselves. He isn't afraid the children aren't his. At 99, and with the way the Italian laws are written, he's looking for publicity because no judge is going to grant a divorce after that amount of time. Not unless she is abusing him, but at 96 how likely is that?
Are you for real. LOTS of marriages survive adultery, LOTS.
Reality is, when trust is broken, AND truth kept secret to be found out rather than confessed, there is no marriage 9or any other alliance based on trust) - all depends on your interpretation of marriage; people do it for all sorts of reasons, though they all take the same oath (and the generous government benefits that come with it).
And for the children, he is the rightful father for taking the responsibility of raising them, but the point that was made in #12 was clearly about biological paternity, which he has all the reasons to doubt now.
It all depends on what the meaning of "is is. She could just tell her husband, "I did not have sexual relations with that man" and those letters you found ... uhmmm ... uuhhhh ... what were we talking about?
Seems like the only idiot here is someone who rather ironically calls himself "Mr. Nice." Let me amend that...there is one other idiot here...the wife who had an extra-marital affair and chose to save the letters from said affair for 60 years.
While I do think it's ridiculous for this man to seek a divorce given that he is 99 and his wife is 97, it's easy to understand why he is upset. Let's face it, he probably is now wondering if any of his kids aren't his. Some people will say that he should just let this go after so much time has passed, but I would have to ask why his wife couldn't just "let it go" and throw away the letters. Someone posted earlier that perhaps the best thing they could do is just separate for a while and let things cool down, and I agree. I'm sure family and friends will try to talk him out of it.
While I think he is a fool to divorce his wife (based on the information provided), I'm concerned that you are calling him an "arse hole" and saying she should have left him years ago. What the heck is wrong with you? She was the one that cheated on him (but I believe he should forgive his wife and enjoy their remaining years together).
Mr.Nice you are an idiot. only an idiot could make this out as being his fault when she cheated on him. If she was unhappy with what she had she should have left him before cheating on him instead of lying for decades. I would do the same thing if it were me the bitch would be out the door.
I'd do the same thing, once your significant other places the seed of doubt it's impossible to reverse. Age in no way makes being betrayed by someone you thought was your soul-mate, an easier pain to bear. I love how the man is the bad guy though, that's pretty rich. Word of advice to the loose ladies? Keep your legs closed, or learn how to cover your tracks better. Holding onto 44 year old love letters from someone you had an affair with? Really? *rolls eyes*
For those who wonder why he can't find forgiveness? How do you forgive something like that so very quickly, exactly? Shouldn't she have sought forgiveness at any moment over the past 4 and a half decades? As I said, pretty rich that the man is the bad guy here.
I'm guessing that many, many mistakes were probably made and forgiven during the course of a 77 year marriage. Adultery is not unforgivable by everyone. Particularly if they've had a strong and loving relationship in the years since the affair. I hope that he can find it in his heart to forgive her.
B Murphy---Exactly!! Once that seed is planted it is damn near impossible (man or woman) to reverse that thought process unless you can find evidence to change his/her mind...oh yeah he did....DIVORCE!
This is a violation of trust, not to mention a 'Commandment'...so ya...pretty bad.
However, i am left pondering the question of his fidelity; "when we are quick to point our fingers at others, we often forget that there are three pointing right back at us"...just saying :)
@ Portland55: Have you ever been betrayed by someone you thought was your lifelong companion? Do you understand what it means to have that kind of mystique shattered in an instant? Having to find out on your own, is infinitely worse than had she come clean at any point over the past 44 years. How could she live with herself for such a long time, without ever saying something? Relationships, especially the strong ones, survive because of honesty and understanding. She wasn't honest, and he didn't have to be understanding.
@ Mr Bellows: A very good point, but unless we know otherwise, we have to give the victim here the benefit of the doubt, don't we? Just because it's entirely possible he could've done something, doesn't absolve this woman from her transgressions. And even if he did, he at least had the decency to cover his tracks.
I can honestly say I know what it feels like to be stabbed in the back like that, and while even now, 5 years later I still think of her everyday, that wonderful feeling that I was her choice, is gone forever. That pain doesn't go away overnight, it persists day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute. And only time will help heal the wounds such a deception incurs. What sucks is I still have hope. And that only makes it hurt more. I feel terrible for this guy, I really do. I can't imagine how much more powerful his feelings of betrayal must be, than what I've gone through.
You nailed it, Portland. I'm stunned by the self-righteous proclamations on both sides of this story. I've "only" got 33 yrs of marriage under my belt, but if I found ANCIENT "evidence" against my hub, ppfftt I'd blow it off, and I'm quite sure he'd do likewise. I have better things to put my heart, mind, soul, time & effort to. Isn't there some kind of statute of limitations? I'd say after 77 yrs of marriage, Mrs Amore has probably done enough marital penance to redeem herself 10 times over - I'll bet he's been a real treat to live with, based on the actions in this story. I suspect a little separation would go a long way toward clarifying what really matters.
I divorced my ex-wife of 15 years for adultry. It's not just about forgiving. I have forgiven her. That doesn't fix the loss of trust. Neither does time. A married couple MUST be able to trust each other no matter what. Once that trust is comprimized there's no going back. I have since found someone new and yes, at first it was difficult to give that same trust again. I was a jealous man at first. Something I have NEVER been. I have that broken trust from my previous relationship to thank for that. After talking to my current lady about it I realized that I have to be able to trust again if I ever want to try and have another long term relationship. Now I have given ALL of my trust to this woman. It's a great feeling to have that trust again! I can only hope that this poor man can find that trust again...
exactly, what exactly does he need her trust for? I doubt they go very far on any given day! What's she going to do, pick up some guy at the bar?
If it was my hubby who cheated and we were in our 90s, I don't think I'd want to go find another spouse, besides, he gave up the other person years ago.
My bet is that NONE of us commenting are anywhere near the age of this couple. Even at 52, looking back, I broke it off with some of my ex's for "violations of trust" that now would get little more than a sit down and discussion on why what he did hurt me. What's earth shattering at 23 means very little at 40. There was something going on in their marriage 50+ years ago and she turned to another man. Not a great idea but it happened and either the man made her realize how good she had it with her husband or, while life with her lover might have been a bit more fullfilling, it wasn't enough to divorce and disrupt her childrens' lives over. Like Meryl Streep in 'Bridges of Madison County' she kept her momentoes of that last rush of being irresistable in a stranger's eyes even to the point of fantasizing about running away together but stayed in her bland marriage and did all in her power to attone for her sin. This woman raised his children, kept his home and was there for him. Why keep the letter? As an ego booster for those times she felt taken for granted, a reminder that she had options and CHOSE to stay in her marriage and make the best of it. The article doesn't give much more than the sensationalism of steamy centurion sexual infidelity and decadence! Was their marriage post affair a loving and supportive one? Was she a fridged harpy who only married him because she was knocked up? Was he a controlling vindictive ass who even drove the children away? This may be a blessing to her that she wishes SHE had done 70 years ago for all we know from this article.
If this divorce actually goes through before they die adjusting to single life may kill him. He will be astounded at how much his wife actually did for him and the stress of learning to do those things himself could well be too much stress for his system.
A trail separation is in order. The family needs to rally around their parents/grandparents and help them put things in proper perspective of a 77 year marriage and even longer relationship.
Hasn't divorce been illegal in Italy until recently? Perhaps life has always been hard and the thought of divorce never came up. I wonder where the comments of the children are?
Good for him! Now he should get 1/2 of her money (if she has any) okay 1/2 of her pension or social security (if they have that), just like they do here in California.
My guess is with all those children she was a homemaker. He will end up paying her and he won't live to sign the final papers. It was 40 years ago. Forgive and move on life is short..maybe not for them but they are lucky to have each other. Everyone makes mistakes some worse than others. They obviously shared something to have stayed together so long. Jeeeez!
they are lucky? he's married to a cheating woman, she destroyed the trust he had for her, he probably considers it hell living with a lying cheating woman.
Can't judge though... He has to do what he thinks is right for him. I don't know if I'd want to stay with someone who betrayed me either... but 77 years... not sure what I'd do.
Jeff, you're an idiot, you make Christians look bad:
Matthew 19:9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Matthew 5:32
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
Fredjoe - right on. Jeff needs a lesson or two. This guy gave his all for his marriage and he has the right to expect the same. Ya gotta love his response.
Is this guy for real....honestly what's the point...he's on borrowed time as it is. Enjoy your life!! Forgive and move on at this point.
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Watch out, ladies... he's back on the market.
Antionio has to be kidding!
He has been married for 77 years.
He is going to divorce his wife over an affair that happened decades ago.
Maybe Antonio is trying to mimic the younger crowd in its established pattern of quick divorces. The infidelity that occurred 50 years ago should be forgotten. At 99, I am not sure what this man hopes to gain. His actions are self destructive.
There is no excuse for adultery, ann1234556.
We're all on borrowed time, and no he shouldn't forgive her. People think they can just do whatever they want and get away with it. Too bad so sad, she shouldn't have been a useless whore.
I don't agree. He might have had more than this one suspicion over the years and never had strong enough proof. He figures he will be damned if she gets anymore money from him when he's dead. No need for her to hang on to the past with letters. When you hold on to the past with an old love you never give all of yourself to your current lover. Let him cut his losses and teach his children that cheaters never prosper!
She gave it away herself by keeping the letters. Not only is she a cheat, she is a stupid cheat. He feels betrayed and insulted. If punishing her with divorce makes him feel better at this point then I see nothing wrong with it. Her marriage has been a lie.
Ann- That is exactly the point. Life is too short to spend one more minute with a duplicitous woman who, despite the obvious pain and anguish it would cause this man, kept mementos of the time she cuckolded her husband. It is one thing to carry on an apparently lengthy affair and another to keep and treasure the words of her lover.
The tragedy is he probably spent the majority of his life suspecting his wife of being unfaithful but remained faithful to her because he had no evidence of her adultery.
He probably knew about it decades ago but stayed with her till the kids were dead!
@Sp3kter, who are you to pass judgement? No, she shouldn't have done it but you have no right to sit there and name-call and pretend you're an expert on morality. Truth be told, you've done some things that you're not proud of and you know it.
btj89,
By forgiving his wife, Antonio would do himself a big favor.
He and his wife have been married for 77 years.
This couple's long marriage has played a critical role in Antonio living to be 99 years of age. If he experiences a rapid physical decline after his divorce, it would not be surprising. At his age, emotional and physical separation can easily lead to a medial demise and eventual death.
I hope that the couple's children and grandchildren can talk Antonio out of his decision.
OMG - all these vindictive men. "One more minute" "duplicitous woman" "stupid cheat" "hang on to the past"
Have any of you men ever been in labor? NO. She delivered all his children, and she stayed and worked hard for him and for their family. Should she get all huffy and leave just because labor hurts? Come on, men expect infinite forgiveness from women, but they won't budge one inch for one moment of cheating. And she probably had put those letters somewhere about 60 years ago and forgotten about them herself.
I take adultery very seriously but I have to agree with Ann. Even being 99 I'm sure it still hurts, but getting a divorce is only causing him more pain. The guys 99 years old, he doesn't have time to hold grudges. 77 years is a long time to not forgive a person. We don't know about thier relationship but I'm sure he wasn't always the perfect husband, but she stayed by his side.
Sp3ktr3 that's a bit dramatic. She shouldn't have been a useless whore back in the 1950's? That useless whore is a great grand mother who raised that mans children and made his house a home. She's cared for him in sickness and health for 77 years. It speaks to his character that he went through with the divorce. It reveals a stubborness, to the point of rediculousness, that let's you know he probably didn't always put his family above his own pride. Yeah, that's a great idea hold a grudge against somebody who stood by you your entire life and die all alone. I bet his children are really pissed.
Schoolyard:
Best post on this thread...LOL!
This is just so sad!!! His convictions, honor, whatever is motivating him to divorce after being married longer than most people live! If there was any couple who would be considered "one flesh" they would be it. What a loss to the both of them! Very, very sad.
someone above said something about questioning if the kids are really his... just do the math.. she was in her late 40s so my guess is she already had his children before the affair. And he is a sanctimonious idiot to divorce a woman who stayed with him for 77 years, what does he think he's gonna do? Men are insane.
If you guys are that vindictive, you're never going to have anyone stay around. Human beings make mistakes. I know you don't consider women to be "human" but, you know what I'm saying.
Afterall the guys Italian, he probably couldn't count the times he's cheated.
What does the man's priest say about this? Or was it the priest that his wife had the affair with? Anyway, he is in Italy, so most likely Catholic. He is not allowed to divorce, according to the Church, from what I've been told by Catholic friends.
Now he's going to die all alone. Sad for him that he couldn't just forgive her.
Elizabeth-1372999... you are assuming that all the children she delivered are his. I'm not siding with the husband who chose to divorce his wife after 77 years but if that's what he has to do that's his perogative. He probably couldn't stand living with her with the thoughts of her keeping the lover's letters till this day. That would personally hurt me more than the cheating itself. But considering his age and the time the affair happened personally I would have forgave her and moved on but not everyone takes a cheating spouse the same way.
I can tell by your responses none of you have ever known an Italian man. Let's just say he probably has an entire storage unit of old love letters.
This is completely ridiculous.
I wonder what he was doing at the time. Was he in the Italian Army? Did he keep his marital vows, or did he cheat on her (but did not write or receive letters) back then?
Dang US Army, overpaid, oversexed and over here! or maybe it was a Nazi!
Hey Joy, math much? If this happened in the 1940's she would have been in her mid 20's to early 30's. She's 96 now so 70 years ago.....(2011-1941=??)
Asking about the paternity of her children becomes very relevant considering that this happened in the first few years of their marriage.
Now, to all you that say he should have stayed, since when did your opinion on his decision matter? It's his life, he can do whatever the hell he wants without permission from any of you. You don't know, she might have been an evil shrew for that entire time and he may have been a devout Catholic who needed a viable reason. She might have even been the perfect wife otherwise, but at the end of the day it's his decision. I recognize most of you from posts on other subjects and in most other circumstances you each push for more freedom of choice for the individual. Hypocrite much?
I get cracked up @ all these people & the issue of the "kids"! The oldest is probably 76 yrs old with the youngest somewhere in their 60's! True, they are still their children, but let's not think of them as children and more of them as adults, grand parents in some cases. Though it is kinda sad that after 77 yrs together he's ditching out, I mean damn, if she had a time machine or crystal ball, I bet she'd have left him eons ago.
btj89 said there's no excuse for adultry. Of course not. But it can be a forgivable offence
Maybe he was waiting for a reason to divorce her, but couldn't because of the church.
All the maybes. Or what-ifs.
Who are we to pass judgement? If he feels entitled to a divorce, at his age he is wise enough to make that decision.
Obviously there is more to the story, and a 3-4 paragraph article does a 77 year old marriage no justice.
@Elizabeth
Shut up, please. I have never read such sexist and feminist comments in my life. She CHEATED, he proved SHE CHEATED and he wants a divorce, if he cheated and she did nothing, then she is the stupid idiot who stays with a cheater. He wants no part with a cheater then so be it, he thinks about himself because at the age of ninety nine who gives a damn what everybody else thinks or suggests, his kids are OLD enough to understand that; if you cheat EXPECT the door. If you are willing to stay with a cheater then guess what, you're an idiot who you will stay with a liar and a person who couldn't care any less about you. And it is worse for him because he probably stood in the dark thinking she loved him and only him for seventy seven years, and it was completely wrong. WHO CARES ABOUT LABOR? No one. We are not talking about labor so shut the @!$%# up with that, the only people who care about women having to give labor are the pathetic women who seek attention and appraisal, stop using that crappy excuse of giving birth to try and bring benefits out of it. He did the right thing and you can shove your feminist ass somewhere else. No one should be with someone who deceived them, and especially a deception for that long.
schoolyard
Yeah, ok, Ann, Elizabeth and company; if this were a man cheating on a woman, you'd be the first of the misandrists wanting him to get what's coming to him. Interesting double standards there, chicks. She delivered all his children so it's ok to have an affair (who cares how long ago it was)? So I guess it's ok for all married women who have kids to cheat on their guys, huh? I pity your kids/husbands.
Christopher- I was just stating that there was probably more to this than we know. Most men wouldn't divorce someone for something they did 70 years ago if they were living in marital bliss. You have to understand that this man is 99 years old and is most likely Catholic. The Catholic church is pretty stringent on was constitutes reason for divorce. And you are right, it isn't for us to judge, it's thier business.
Oh wow, this is hilarious!
Too bad he's unable to forgive her, I'm sure he's done a lot things that she forgave HIM for.
What a shame to throw your entire life away!
What entire life are you talking about? You mean she was his life?
He spent 77 yrs with a whore, so she deserves to be dumped.
mom: You are partly right, the Catholic church is very specific on divorce. They are against it!
These two were probably not happy in the end.
It's obvious who the cheaters or potential cheaters are in this thread!
Is it any wonder why our country is a cesspool?
Immorality and a real lack of commitment destroys marriages and societies.
so she got a little on the side...momma mia!!!...no bigga deal.seriously i bet the guy was plowing the neighbor and anybody else he could coax...what a hypocrite
how do you know they are his kids.
They better do a DNA test before he pays that child support!
hey folks, she could have lied when he asked her what happened...but she told him about the affair....
that's if there was an affair...& she was not just telling him this info to get him upset because he went into her private letters & accused her of having an affair....
I'd sure be annoyed if my husband went through my papers at that age & accused me of stuff...might just agree with him to get him out of my life
& who says she has no money of her own....she could be wealthier than he...
hell hath no fury like an Italian woman wrongfully accused...stay tuned....much is possible over there...Italian women are standing up for themselves these days
Well now that you've mentioned it Elizabeth-1372999, perhaps they're not his. DNA testing didn't exist at the time they were born, but now........
I love the comment, "Watch out girls. He's back on the market!" Absolutely classic. And I notice a lot of the feministas are saying that he should forgive her. If the situation were reversed, they would be calling for him to be hung by his shriveled nuts.
@ russellmuscle1-
The article says he just found out about the affair- so he didn't harbor a grudge for 77 years- for him- it just happened and this is a very fresh wound! AND he has to be thinking that at least one of the kids is not his (and the grandchildren...)
Amen to him for dumping her- whatever age he is.
Divorcing my cheating wife (school teacher no less) gave me back my life :P
You people who think all Italian men cheat - read toooooo many romance novels.
ckon: I'm sorry, who said it couldn't be a forgivable offense? Of course it is. But the amount of time that has passed is NOT AN EXCUSE OR A REASON, as so many lowlifes here seem to accept. Sure let's all have affairs, keep it a secret for 30 years, and everything will be okay! Great!!!
25Walker: Of course he would, I agree. But you are just stating the obvious there.
Now can we please STOP misconstruing my post?
PS - LMAO at the person telling people to do the math yet gets the math wrong herself!! Half these comments are pure gold.
btj89,
I will get right to the point!
Your comment is foolish and myopic.
After his wife's affair, Antonio has remained married to her for 50 years. If there had not been any true bond between Antonio and his wife - their marriage would not have lasted 50 days - let alone 50 years!
At 99 years of age - what is the point?
At his age, does Antonio have another woman in mind to marry?
I think not.
Where will he live?
Probably with one of his children or grandchildren.
All around Antonio, there will be signs of his former union with his wife...the couple's oppspring, pictures and most of all memories.
Yes, he is hurt over the infidelity. However, Antonio is bringing more emotional and physical harm to himself by walking away from his wife of 77 years.
And for all the Right Wingers here who are collasping the comments on forgiveness - open your Bibles and read the scriptures that command Christians to forgive!
@25Walker
He shouldn't forgive her, those 50 years of marriage was a lie. She lied to him about an affair, who knows what else she lied to him about. That affair put the seed of doubt in his mind. He has every right to divorce her if he chooses. He might be christian, but the law enables him to divorce her if he wants to.
PS. you're assuming people are Christians. I care just as much for the bible as I do the Quran(which is nothing as you can tell).
The affair happened in the 1940s, probably during WWII. How many novels and movies have been made about "war brides"? Even though this happened less than a century ago, it was a completely different era than now. The world was spinning out of control, entire continents were at war with one another. Cast in today's light, it may as well have been ancient Rome. She probably had a momentary fling with a handsome Allied soldier, not knowing if her husband, who was probably in the Italian army at the time, was even alive. The Nazis weren't exactly kind to their Italian allies once Mussolini died and their support for Hitler began to falter.
If this prick with ears feels that way after a 60 year old mistake,then,she'll be the one better off!He won't live long enough to get over the divorce,or,maybe even see the day it happens.
Wiz,
Especially at Antonio's age, having an unforgiving spirit will hasten his death.
Antonio's children and grandchildren need to talk some sense into him.
Antonio is only harming himself.
After his divorce, it would not shock me if this man folds like a deck of cards.
He should forgive his wife.
He should make the limited remaining years that he has to live...as pleasant as possible.
This divorce will kill him.
I thank he needs to for give her it was a long time ago and he just found out the divorce will surley kill him just pray for the both of them
What good will hand-mumbling do for them, james? is your cult-creature gonna help them out?
By the way -- i thought gay marriage was ruining the "institution" of marriage!?
lol that is awesome. Once a cheater always a cheater!
Oh, come on Vivian, no anti Italian comments from you today??? Is it a holiday???
...Italians
Vivian, You cannot be taken seriously.
Vivian the troll is back- Throws out an absurd line and watches the fun.
Vivian...The woman probably CAN'T cheat at this point in her life. She's in her nineties! He obviously wants to prove a point...He'll probably die alone and victorious because he got rid of the cheating wife only to satisfy his ego.
You act like being alone is a bad thing.
Vivian, I'm of Italian descent. I'm not sure what you meant by that remark, but I have a funny feeling that I might agree with you.
I'm surprised he could even read the letters....good eyesight for that age! I'm surprised she could remember the affair....he must have been good!
Stone Her !!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome? Really? What a moronic statement, Vivian. You'd think different if it were a guy cheating. Hypocrite.
Hey bella ven aqui, tedo un besho.
Give him a day. He will most likely forget he ever found the letters let alone remember he wants a divorce.......
It would have been easier to forgive her before her boobs started sagging so much.
How absolutely absurd to think she would cheat after all of those years. I understand him being upset, but after 77 years of marriage you would think he would be able to forgive her for something that happened over 50 years ago...and Vivian... you are an idiot.
Humm there is more to this story as I think about it . Too abrupt of a dicsion here , There must have been rough waters for the whole marraige to be so strong about this and so fast. Like I saod before her keeping the letters proved her devotion to the lover who imost likey.
You do realize that 1940's Italy was involved in WWII just like the rest of Europe, if this man was fighting for his country while she was at home doing the mailman or some German or American soldier I could certainly understand his disgust in her after all these years.
Even if he was not a soldier those would have been trying times and they would have been recently married at the time. Spending 70 years thinking you survived that together with each other only to find out she was doing someone else, and that IT MEANT ENOUGH TO HER TO KEEP THE LETTERS would certainly make anyone feel like a fool and their whole marriage was built on lies.
The man deserves better, she can go look up her dear loverboy and see how he is doing these days.
People love to punish other people. My cheating ex wife sought to punish me by cheating - she didn't think it was so funny when I punished her back by sending letters to everyone who supported her side in the divorce. In case you haven't traveled this road; during divorce friends write letters for the party they support to make a case that there friend should be the parent who gets primary custody of the kids.
People never forgive or forget - that is something the cheaters invented to feel better about them selves. It also is why Christians invented that do over rule...lmao.
Running the numbers, the couple were married during WWII and hadn't been married all that long when she had the affair. The ex-lover wrote to her a decade later. It's these letter the old fart found. Could very well be that it was a war marriage - common then - but that her affair was with the love of her life, so she kept his letters. He obviously never forgot her, either. As a Catholic, she couldn't get a divorce. Sweet she kept the letters. If it was true love, then that's all she had, other than memories, of the life and love she actually wanted but had to give up.
This is pitiful. This man has obviously spent many good days and years in the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s and up to and including today with this woman, who has borne him children, and they share grandchildren and one grandchild as well. I'm sure this over-reactive jackwagon has conducted himself perfectly for all those years - NOT! There is something else at work here; ego problems and his own evil are leading him to vengeance, for reasons that are not disclosed in the article. He either wants to leave her without funds or without the full benefit of a faith practice she may hold dear, ie, without the Eucharist, or he wants to divide and conquer in some way within the family, to deprive her of her family and to have her cast as an object of shame in her family and social circles. When the topic is two people pushing 100, it is sheer madness to "divorce" over a 70 year old letter. One can only imagine what it has been like to endure such a rigid and over-reactive jackwagon, and I side with the woman who is being put through this BS in her advanced years. I hope she can have some peace and some sufficient emotional and financial support from other members of her family who are a bit more solid than the vindictive loose-cannon she married. Just goes to prove there is no fool like an old, egotistical male fool looking for a decades-old pretext to throw his weight around. Jackwagon.
jazz j I think what u meant to say is
ehi bello venire dammi un bacio
becho isnt a word
you were saying hey beautiful come give me a kiss
btj89,
I will get right to the point!
Your comment is foolish and myopic.
After his wife's affair, Antonio has remained married to her for 50 years. If there had not been any true bond between Antonio and his wife - their marriage would not have lasted 50 days - let alone 50 years!
At 99 years of age - what is the point?
At his age, does Antonio have another woman in mind to marry?
I think not.
Where will he live?
Probably with one of his children or grandchildren.
All around Antonio, there will be signs of his former union with his wife...the couple's oppspring, pictures and most of all memories.
Yes, he is hurt over the infidelity. However, Antonio is bringing more emotional and physical harm to himself by walking away from his wife of 77 years.
And for all the Right Wingers here who are collasping the comments on forgiveness - open your Bibles and read the scriptures that command Christians to forgive!
Matthew 6:14 - For if you forgive
men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
@25Walker
Again, you're assuming everyone here cares about the bible, Why don't you open your mind to the possibility that people believe differently than you.
Everybody has their own opinion,and my opinion shouldn't make you mad.We just think differently.Happy New Year!
Wiz,
You are no Wiz-Kid!
Why do you think many of the "collapsers" are folding the comments on forgiveness?
For many people holding a grudge above this adultery, is probably biblically based - or they are just plain ole "baggage holders."
You asked: "Who cares about the bible" wizzy?
The majority of Americans do describe themselves as Christian.
Thus, I guess some of these posters are opening biblical chapters.
You sound like an "unbeliever."
Here is another scripture for you:
Psalm 14:1 "Only a fool says there is no God."
Get lost...you do not even know your own creator.
Damn, I thought I was rusty after being out of the dating scene for only a year. This guys going to be like the tin man after a swim in the ocean. At least he won't have to deal with American woman who'll find him so irresistable..... as long as he has a few billion. Maybe he should have a quickie,or in his case, a weeky, to settle the score.
A "weeky" ha ha nicely done T-Starr
He probably won't live long enough to get his divorce. The average divorce in Italy takes 5 years or longer. I think they also have to be separated for 3 years and if they were young and had kids, it would take even longer.
What if their "kids" are 80??
I don't blame him for being pissed. Divorce her! Probably find some other sexy thing in her 80's. This one deceived him!
LOL you folks are hilarious. If he's been with her for 77 yrs. if he leaves her he won't last a year at his age. He has to be doing it to cut her out of his will or he could be doing it just to get his name in the Guiness Book of World Records. Who knows?
Afan- All the more reason to start early......
Probably of looking at the same person after so many years and found an out of the marriage, don't know how he going to use his freedom and single life. But better do it quick. Get a prostitute and die happy.
He doesen't even remember he has a wife. Hell he probally doesen't even know he has a dick.. What i have dick hmmm Duhhhhh Time to take my meds wifey , i'll bend over for the injection. Heh thats no needle haha
ZEKE that is so wrong. and the funniest thing i've heard all day.
I'll bet she's Hawt ! anybody know hur addy ???
Another fairy tale romance comes to an end.
I am sorry, but that's so cute that this old man could care enough all these years to still feel threatened and jealous about his wife having anything to do with anyone but him. I think the sixty year improved behavior should count for something in regards to his wife.
I hope the family helps him reconsider. Perhaps a trial separation so he has plenty of quiet, ALONE time to reflect might help. Oh yeah, leave a lot of family videos and photo albums, but NOT FROM THE FORTIES. Never mind, leave games, books, music and movies NOT from the forties.
She didn't have to keep those letters for all these years.
She probably didn't even remember that the letters were in the closet, and he probably didn't remember all the married years since that time.
Dementia patients live in the distant past. People with dementia in their 90s, like my mother, often do not remember anything more recent than the '40s. At the end, my mother barely remembered that she was a newlywed, she didn't remember any of her children.
But does this give him a right to throw her away? My parents both lived in a nursing home; both had dementia. Both of them were sometimes angry at the other, because they knew that they were "responsible" and yet unable to care for the other. Nurses, and later hospice nurses, came to help. They gradually began to relax more. Still, after my mother died, my father perked up a bit because he didn't have to worry about somebody else.
A younger person's righteous anger about past incidents have nothing to do with the reality of the very elderly: they live in a different world. The old man probably is saying that he can't care for her anymore, and can't remember anything since those early years. The family needs to put him into a nursing facility away from her.
She knew the letters were there. Even if she has dementia now, she didn't when she hid them. They meant something to her, and that hurt that 99 year old man. Poor guy! I hope he gets some action from all the widows and older ladies around him!
What makes you think that a divorce happens because someone feels threatened or jealous?
I find it interesting that all of the women on here are calling him out for divorcing his wife, but I bet my last buck that if it was their husband that cheated on them they'd be telling her dump his sorry rear.
This woman broke her marriage vows. doesn't matter if it was 50 years ago or 50 minutes ago, she broke the vow, then LIED TO HIM FOR 50 YEARS.
Honestly, how would you feel if you were lied to for that long?
The answer is simple: TOTALLY disrespected...and that's the opposite of love.
He's Italian what do you expect ? His manliness has been challenged, the question is how many flings has he had ?
Exactumundo!!!
She secreted the letters all these years - Question is there more???
He might have the 77 year itch.
Strega - His "manliness "has been a wrinkled up prunish thingy for decade's.......
Wow, I thought this was a light hearted story of two very old people in a very old marriage. However I see that there are some principles being argued here so I will respond more seriously.
It has happened to me. To find that my spouse was showing affection or attention to another, denied it all. Made me feel like something was wrong with ME for even thinking such a thing.
TEN YEARS LATER, I not only found a card from someone, but from the VERY PERSON I suspected. I was crazy with anger. I didn't want to hear his voice, see his face or be touched by him. I left him. Well, that just turned into a waste of money on an apartment where I was alone and bored and sad.
I started seeing someone who was inferior in many ways. Although I kept getting calls and daily begs to return home, my pride made me stay in my little lonely apartment.
Eventually I went back. I don't know what exactly happened to make me return. Some years later, the man who did not want kids, gave in to having one. I am happy with my child but I know I will never trust him EVER. No matter how much he makes me think something is in my head. I know what that felt like as well as learning that I was right after all. It upsets him that I don't trust him after all these years of his insistence that he's been faithful.
Obviously I will NEVER forget; Yet he is the one complaining about the cheating wife in this story....Go figure!
The husband has a right to be angry. I say make the wife BEG for forgiveness. What else can you do when you're old. She's with you now, it's better than ripping the family apart at this late stage. Also, we don't know if he's ever cheated.
i think its more of an issue of trust and betrayal.why did she decieve him all these years
You do realize that 1940's Italy was involved in WWII just like the rest of Europe, if this man was fighting for his country while she was at home doing the mailman or some German or American soldier I could certainly understand his disgust in her after all these years.
Even if he was not a soldier those would have been trying times and they would have been recently married at the time. Spending 70 years thinking you survived that together with each other only to find out she was doing someone else, and that IT MEANT ENOUGH TO HER TO KEEP THE LETTERS would certainly make anyone feel like a fool and their whole marriage was built on lies.
The man deserves better, she can go look up her dear loverboy and see how he is doing these days.
P.S.
The guy is lucky he lasted long enough to keep the liar from profiting from his death.
pjam09, if you read Elizabeth's excellent discussion re dementia at 7.2 above you will come to realize that in dealing with the very elderly the reality is very different than for someone middleaged or younger. What you write may or may not make sense for someone with decades of life ahead, but for folks pushing 100 it makes no sense.
Profiting from his death? They may each live a couple months or years longer at the maximum.
Hopefully some mature,sane and sensitive family members can give their two elderly parents the support and outside caregiving services one or both obviously needs so that what little time remains in their lives can be somewhat peaceful and without legal contention and this media sideshow. This is a pitiful situation as it stands now.
he realized he's been with a lying SKANK for over 70 years. that must suck.
Why did she keep the letters all these years? Was she trying to get caught and hoping for forgiveness or remembering the good old days with her hot lover?
Why do I feel that she has been unhappily married for many years and kept the letters as a "feel good" thing. I know people who have been married a long time who still carry deep feelings for old boyfriends. I also know old men who were lying, cheating, disrespecting idiots who were quite jealous of their wives but didn't feel the need to be faithful themselves. In fact the most suspicious were those who were fooling around!! I am sure that they have help with their lives. Who knows what well meaning people are telling him? Sounds as thought it could have been a WWII or post WWII romance. What difference can it possibly make at this time of llife? I feel the whole story is not being told here.
I've been married 18 years and still haven't thrown out letters from my high school boyfriend from 1981. They were letters from when he was away in the Marines. During that time he died in a car crash. While it wasn't a cheating situation, I still can't let go of those letters.
Maybe it was the only time she felt loved!!!!
what I was wondering.
K well thats messed up honestly if your married no past romance or sex should matter to you, love eachother and forsake all others thats what the vow contains, past is past destroy those letters and throw them out, you shouldnt keep a part of your heart or sexual thrive to anyone besides your husband or wife. Women sometimes are so stupid when it comes to letting go to their past FFS Im 20 and after seeing how dumb and irresonsible women are in emotional affairs I dont think I want to get married, I might just turn gay idk.
This happened in the 1940s. Could it be during WWII and the guy was a GI, her not knowing if she would live, if her husband was alive. That was a very different time than now. Maybe she kept the letters to remind her how bad things were then and how much better later. Point is we don't know why she had an affair and why she kept the letters. As for the name calling I've seen here, she will stand before God and He and He alone will judge her, as He will us all.
Bretton...let's take life advice from someone 20 years old that doesn't know if he wants to get maried or be gay.
Bretton...you are too funny. At 20 you haven't been out of diapers long enough to figure this one out, let alone make judgement on the opposite sex. If you thinking about being gay then my guess is you probally are!
wow -- someone in florida can't get through a post without making a gay slur. there's a shocker!
Wow - someone named DMorgan who can't get through a post without misreading the situation. There's a shocker!
mamma mia!!!
The make-up Sex will be awesome !!
HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!
OK, that was funny.
That was the best laugh of the day!!!!
How did you come up with that???? Hilarious!!!
Or it could be the death of them.
Are you sure? I heard that sex at age 90 is like trying to shoot pool with a rope.
hahahhahaha
Viagra and connect the liver spots does not sound all that exciting....
hope they have a tub of KY jelly
hope they have a tub of KY jelly
it's times like those they're finally thankful for Failing Eyesight.
He probably already knew about the affair but just forgot. LOL.
more hilariouserer!!!!!!!!! too funny
This is true. At 99 she probably told...lol
HA
Way too Funny!!
Also, if the other guy is still alive shouldn't he go find him and punch him out??
It was more than likely his best friend. That's why he's so mad.
Gotta make him wonder if their children are his. That's why adultery is the worst thing married people can do to each other. Families unravel. Everyone loses trust, and people question their own identities.
Truly a sad state of affairs...
"That's why adultery is the worst thing married people can do to each other. Families unravel. Everyone loses trust, and people question their own identities."
...and very well said wlv. Thanks, for sharing that.
This is a valid point......
Huh? They were together 77 years, and have 5 kids. What's to wonder. He raised the kids all these years, regardless of an affair (or possible genetics), they are HIS kids! I would hope that raising children, grandchildren and a great-grandchild would make someone sure they were their father much more than som blood test.
It's past the statue of limitations on deciding if they are 'his kids'
no I disagree, it's bad but far from the worst thing.
Are you for real. LOTS of marriages survive adultery, LOTS. And this affair happened 77 years ago. the "children" are senior citizens themselves. He isn't afraid the children aren't his. At 99, and with the way the Italian laws are written, he's looking for publicity because no judge is going to grant a divorce after that amount of time. Not unless she is abusing him, but at 96 how likely is that?
I think it really sad. The woman should have tossed the letters for sure but divorce? I'm glad the Italian laws won't allow it.
Reality is, when trust is broken, AND truth kept secret to be found out rather than confessed, there is no marriage 9or any other alliance based on trust) - all depends on your interpretation of marriage; people do it for all sorts of reasons, though they all take the same oath (and the generous government benefits that come with it).
And for the children, he is the rightful father for taking the responsibility of raising them, but the point that was made in #12 was clearly about biological paternity, which he has all the reasons to doubt now.
Maybe he can get child support payments for one or two of the kids that may not be his.
She should have just said she didn't remember.
It all depends on what the meaning of "is is. She could just tell her husband, "I did not have sexual relations with that man" and those letters you found ... uhmmm ... uuhhhh ... what were we talking about?
GOOD one Doug!!
It's a shame he can't find forgiveness and seems to be determined to destroy the life he built with his wife.....
Hell, I'm surprised they both even remember the 40s! lol....oh well, maybe he'll forget tomorrow what he found out today and all will end well....
It's hardly like He's the one "determined to destroy the life he built with his wife"! Seems like that was Her choice when she stepped out on him.
I agree with you Jen. Some of you seem to not understand how this man must feel=to realize he's wasted his entire life on a great love that never was.
(Some of these comments are pretty funny tho' LOL)
Yeah, Jenn - 60 years ago! I didn't say she was innocent in all this (obviously she's not).
What are you? About 12?
He has just been waiting for the right opportunity to get away from the old crab.
It is profoundly sad to say it...but the wife had the correct idea 60 years ago.
She married an idiot and knew it then. In my opinion the only mistake that she made was staying with this arse hole for 40 more years.
Its sad but this "husband" should have died 35 years ago and made this woman a "
Happy Widow"
Wait... you think HE is the idiot? Lol.
Seems like the only idiot here is someone who rather ironically calls himself "Mr. Nice." Let me amend that...there is one other idiot here...the wife who had an extra-marital affair and chose to save the letters from said affair for 60 years.
While I do think it's ridiculous for this man to seek a divorce given that he is 99 and his wife is 97, it's easy to understand why he is upset. Let's face it, he probably is now wondering if any of his kids aren't his. Some people will say that he should just let this go after so much time has passed, but I would have to ask why his wife couldn't just "let it go" and throw away the letters. Someone posted earlier that perhaps the best thing they could do is just separate for a while and let things cool down, and I agree. I'm sure family and friends will try to talk him out of it.
My apologies for getting her age wrong in my post. She is 96, not 97.
While I think he is a fool to divorce his wife (based on the information provided), I'm concerned that you are calling him an "arse hole" and saying she should have left him years ago. What the heck is wrong with you? She was the one that cheated on him (but I believe he should forgive his wife and enjoy their remaining years together).
Thank you for the clarification, Joe. She might be only 96 (not 97), but I bet she doesn't look a day over 94.
@ Mr. Nice
Do you know them personally? What the @!$%# are you even talking about?
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Mr.Nice you are an idiot. only an idiot could make this out as being his fault when she cheated on him. If she was unhappy with what she had she should have left him before cheating on him instead of lying for decades. I would do the same thing if it were me the bitch would be out the door.
LOL I wonder how much alimony he will pay. LOL
I mean really.
It's not the alimony that kills you, it's the child support.
^ uhm ya at that age when their "children" are senior citizens themselves...i don't think he needs to worry about and child support. do u? XP
I'd do the same thing, once your significant other places the seed of doubt it's impossible to reverse. Age in no way makes being betrayed by someone you thought was your soul-mate, an easier pain to bear. I love how the man is the bad guy though, that's pretty rich. Word of advice to the loose ladies? Keep your legs closed, or learn how to cover your tracks better. Holding onto 44 year old love letters from someone you had an affair with? Really? *rolls eyes*
For those who wonder why he can't find forgiveness? How do you forgive something like that so very quickly, exactly? Shouldn't she have sought forgiveness at any moment over the past 4 and a half decades? As I said, pretty rich that the man is the bad guy here.
Agree. She committed adultery and is despicable.
I'm guessing that many, many mistakes were probably made and forgiven during the course of a 77 year marriage. Adultery is not unforgivable by everyone. Particularly if they've had a strong and loving relationship in the years since the affair. I hope that he can find it in his heart to forgive her.
B Murphy---Exactly!! Once that seed is planted it is damn near impossible (man or woman) to reverse that thought process unless you can find evidence to change his/her mind...oh yeah he did....DIVORCE!
Agree.
This is a violation of trust, not to mention a 'Commandment'...so ya...pretty bad.
However, i am left pondering the question of his fidelity; "when we are quick to point our fingers at others, we often forget that there are three pointing right back at us"...just saying :)
Excellent post BM
@ Portland55: Have you ever been betrayed by someone you thought was your lifelong companion? Do you understand what it means to have that kind of mystique shattered in an instant? Having to find out on your own, is infinitely worse than had she come clean at any point over the past 44 years. How could she live with herself for such a long time, without ever saying something? Relationships, especially the strong ones, survive because of honesty and understanding. She wasn't honest, and he didn't have to be understanding.
@ Mr Bellows: A very good point, but unless we know otherwise, we have to give the victim here the benefit of the doubt, don't we? Just because it's entirely possible he could've done something, doesn't absolve this woman from her transgressions. And even if he did, he at least had the decency to cover his tracks.
I can honestly say I know what it feels like to be stabbed in the back like that, and while even now, 5 years later I still think of her everyday, that wonderful feeling that I was her choice, is gone forever. That pain doesn't go away overnight, it persists day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute. And only time will help heal the wounds such a deception incurs. What sucks is I still have hope. And that only makes it hurt more. I feel terrible for this guy, I really do. I can't imagine how much more powerful his feelings of betrayal must be, than what I've gone through.
You nailed it, Portland. I'm stunned by the self-righteous proclamations on both sides of this story. I've "only" got 33 yrs of marriage under my belt, but if I found ANCIENT "evidence" against my hub, ppfftt I'd blow it off, and I'm quite sure he'd do likewise. I have better things to put my heart, mind, soul, time & effort to. Isn't there some kind of statute of limitations? I'd say after 77 yrs of marriage, Mrs Amore has probably done enough marital penance to redeem herself 10 times over - I'll bet he's been a real treat to live with, based on the actions in this story. I suspect a little separation would go a long way toward clarifying what really matters.
I divorced my ex-wife of 15 years for adultry. It's not just about forgiving. I have forgiven her. That doesn't fix the loss of trust. Neither does time. A married couple MUST be able to trust each other no matter what. Once that trust is comprimized there's no going back. I have since found someone new and yes, at first it was difficult to give that same trust again. I was a jealous man at first. Something I have NEVER been. I have that broken trust from my previous relationship to thank for that. After talking to my current lady about it I realized that I have to be able to trust again if I ever want to try and have another long term relationship. Now I have given ALL of my trust to this woman. It's a great feeling to have that trust again! I can only hope that this poor man can find that trust again...
exactly, what exactly does he need her trust for? I doubt they go very far on any given day! What's she going to do, pick up some guy at the bar?
If it was my hubby who cheated and we were in our 90s, I don't think I'd want to go find another spouse, besides, he gave up the other person years ago.
My bet is that NONE of us commenting are anywhere near the age of this couple. Even at 52, looking back, I broke it off with some of my ex's for "violations of trust" that now would get little more than a sit down and discussion on why what he did hurt me. What's earth shattering at 23 means very little at 40. There was something going on in their marriage 50+ years ago and she turned to another man. Not a great idea but it happened and either the man made her realize how good she had it with her husband or, while life with her lover might have been a bit more fullfilling, it wasn't enough to divorce and disrupt her childrens' lives over. Like Meryl Streep in 'Bridges of Madison County' she kept her momentoes of that last rush of being irresistable in a stranger's eyes even to the point of fantasizing about running away together but stayed in her bland marriage and did all in her power to attone for her sin. This woman raised his children, kept his home and was there for him. Why keep the letter? As an ego booster for those times she felt taken for granted, a reminder that she had options and CHOSE to stay in her marriage and make the best of it. The article doesn't give much more than the sensationalism of steamy centurion sexual infidelity and decadence! Was their marriage post affair a loving and supportive one? Was she a fridged harpy who only married him because she was knocked up? Was he a controlling vindictive ass who even drove the children away? This may be a blessing to her that she wishes SHE had done 70 years ago for all we know from this article.
If this divorce actually goes through before they die adjusting to single life may kill him. He will be astounded at how much his wife actually did for him and the stress of learning to do those things himself could well be too much stress for his system.
A trail separation is in order. The family needs to rally around their parents/grandparents and help them put things in proper perspective of a 77 year marriage and even longer relationship.
he did not recognize his own writing the letters were from him
@Sunlitensmiles
She confessed to the affair moron. read the article.
He's probably been looking for a legal way out for the past 77 years and finally found it.
My thoughts exactly!
Hasn't divorce been illegal in Italy until recently? Perhaps life has always been hard and the thought of divorce never came up. I wonder where the comments of the children are?
amazing story...... Way to stick to your guns old man
I agree...That goes to show that lies can hurt at any time during a marriage. Especially lies of that sort.
Good for him! Now he should get 1/2 of her money (if she has any) okay 1/2 of her pension or social security (if they have that), just like they do here in California.
My guess is with all those children she was a homemaker. He will end up paying her and he won't live to sign the final papers. It was 40 years ago. Forgive and move on life is short..maybe not for them but they are lucky to have each other. Everyone makes mistakes some worse than others. They obviously shared something to have stayed together so long. Jeeeez!
they are lucky? he's married to a cheating woman, she destroyed the trust he had for her, he probably considers it hell living with a lying cheating woman.
Did she bone Mussolini?
Mussolini and a few foreign ministers haha. Look back in the day this chick was obviously the town bicycle everybody rode her.
This is just the one he discovered......its never to late to dumb a cheating broad! Go for it Sir.
I bet dumping a woman is something you've never had to worry about.
The mailman can now move in.
Awww... that's kinda sad.
Can't judge though... He has to do what he thinks is right for him. I don't know if I'd want to stay with someone who betrayed me either... but 77 years... not sure what I'd do.
Divorce is never right. (Luke 16:18; Mark 10:1-12; 1 Cor. 7)
nevermind!
Jeff - Please tell us when adultery is "right".
If she didn't cheat the divorce wouldn't be happening.
Jeff, you're an idiot, you make Christians look bad:
Matthew 19:9 I
tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness,
and marries another woman commits adultery."
Matthew 5:32
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital
unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the
divorced woman commits adultery.
Fredjoe - right on. Jeff needs a lesson or two. This guy gave his all for his marriage and he has the right to expect the same. Ya gotta love his response.
Further evidence that men will not share with others their prized possession.
So the wife is considered a possession???