I lasted a whole 3 days on a new job with an abusive trainer. For starters I worked for free two full days as part of the companys "interview" process. Then I was assigned a trainer that constantly talked over me in front of the customers. I have 4 yrs expierence in the position. Talking over one to give the exact same information isnt very helpful.
Then on day 3 I asked a routine question & she responds 'You dont listen very well do you"? I said its alot of crap to take in during a short period of time. So then I was labeled an a-hole. After that the company didnt contact me for 7 days so I assumed thats grounds for termination. Also her supervisor took up for her. Since I had only been at this company a short time no harn done. But I will be seeing their HR director on the way out.
Bosses like these, ya just kick em in the nuts and before they can recover, slap em on the face with the resignation paperwork attached to gum....
I have run into one of those, they aint fun at all...ya get ulcers after a while...just visualize an ugly bald fat SOB that talks you down like they own you or something.....embarass you infront of your family and always threatens to fire everybody at work....for no reason at all! Last I heard, everybody quit except the one lady he was sleeping with...then the company went under....
All this happening during bad economic times, so you are afraid of losing your job, and these bosses always know when they got you by the balls...pathetic
As long as the job market remains completely saturated with people looking for work like it is now, this sort of abusive employment situation is going to get nothing but worse and worse.
Right now, employers know that people are desperate to hold on to their jobs and that there are just not that many places hiring, so they can take advantage by trimming down their work-force (which serves to not only save money for the company and pad their pockets, but also to instill fear and uncertainty in the remaining work-force) load their workers down with more work and ever-increasing expectations, pay-freezes/cuts, loss of benefits, and all kinds of other rotten crap, like forcing workers to pay for the supplies necessary to do the job out of their own pocket, with no compensation for it.
As it stands, a boss can be just nasty as can be, standing over the workers cracking the whip, all while saying "If you don't like it, you can quit.. but good luck finding another job! HAR! HAR! HARRR!"...
It's is extortion and harassment in every sense and simply disgusting...
My life, my career, my health, my financial security - are all trashed because of workplace bullying. I am human wreckage because of workplace bullying.
I no longer even have hopes and dreams for the future. Its been that bad. I cant tell you how many times I was kicked down, just to pick myself up and dust myself off, and say - "It will be better next time" but honestly? One can only do that so many times before you become like a broken beast of burden. Sullen, without any drive, timid, fearful.
My little bluebird of hope and inspiration lays dead and rotting at the feet of bullies.
Just because they say it does not make it true. My two favorites are: "You should leave here in tears everyday" and "I can't stand to look at you when you talk!!". I can't repeat all of the cussing that was thrown my way by the machismos. Know who and what you are and don't worry about when the negative nay-sayers think.
I am currently unemployed because the bullies won. Again. Each job I have had in this town has had their fare share of bullying. It is really disgusting that it is allowed to go on in the businesses here. They wonder why gangs and bullying is so bad in our schools. Jr. learns it from home.
Wow.. if I had a boss that said "you should leave here in tears every day" I would see red. And my instant retort would be - "What are you. An IDIOT?" There wouldnt even be time for me to think about repercussions. I simply cannot tolerate that kind of treatment!
If a supervisor said "I cant stand to look at you when you talk" then I would say "Hey! Wow! because I cant stand you when youre being a twit! So heres a solution - go back in your office, and close the door behind you!"
The woman who killed herself had more problems than just an abusive boss. Good thing she only killed herself and not take a bunch of other people with her.
Given that women are taking over the workplace, I'd like to see a picture of a woman berated a man instead of the usual-and-oh-so-tired stereotypical picture of a silver-haired man berating a young and attractive woman.
Of course, the only example in the article is of a woman that killed herself. For every female suicide, there are four male suicides.
File a grievance with the state personnel board. That will back off the abusive supervisor. Oh, sorry. The article must be about private sector employees.
Of course its about private sector employees....they are the only companies still in business because they are not burdened down by gangster unions! Just read the Hostess bankruptcy news today
@Ken1973 -- Private sector employees can also be union members. Hostess is a private sector employer that has some unionized (but still private sector) employees. So how can it be that private sector companies are the only ones "not burdened down by gangster unions"? So not sure I get your point, unless of course your point was to throw your own personal political agenda into a non-political discussion about bullying bosses?
Or she could have sought help to understand that her self worth comes from inside, not her boss. In which case, she could have quit, found a better job, made more money and found happiness.
I guarantee that if she killed her boss and she was found not guilty and went out and got another job, she would have soon found herself the victim again.
We can only change ourselves and the only thing we become slaves to is our own fear.
Jdillydawg - Those are all lovely platitudes. Yes, she could have quit (like I did), found herself in a bad economy with few jobs in her career field (like I did), burned through her retirement funds (like I did), found herself in poverty (like I did), and ended up struggling with severe clinical depression (like I did). Thats actually more like real life.
But when I quit- without a job waiting for me - When I got away from the bullies that had me so paralyzed with anxiety, anger and frustration that I could no longer carry out my daily duties, I left with my head held high, confident that I would go on to a better and brighter future. OH yes, My future was so bright, had to wear shades.
Funny how reality gets in the way of fairy tale happy endings...
You can change yourself as much as you want. You can tell yourself "I'm going to do a terrific job today! And I'm gonna win! Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggonit, people like me!
But it only takes a few nasty people to bring you low. Just like someone who just won the lottery can be shot by some random punk. Some things, you really cant control - and attacks by bullies are frequently one of those things.
I wish it were otherwise, but life is not all rainbows and skittles, and bad things often happen to good people, no matter how hard they try to avoid those bad things.
Let's see... you are still here. She's gone. No one ever said life was all rainbows and skittles, but I guarantee you have a better shot at finding a rainbow than she does.
Unfortunately there are some real a-holes to work for out there. Amazing how many people rely on some power trip to make themselves feel like 'the king' at others expense, using fear tactics against people. The same types also enjoy abusing small animals and stalking school yards looking for their 'prey'
The newspaper where I worked as an associate editor went bankrupt in March 10, 2010 and although I have been unemployed since then, the stress of unemployment is nothing compared to working for three years with an extreme bully for a boss. The problem was compounded by the fact that he owned the paper and so there was no one to appeal to. On a daily basis I was demeaned, called vulgar and insulting names, raged at and on several occasions was fearful that I might be physically assaulted. I prayed for the strength to hold on and it was only the grace of God that helped me hold on. I could not afford to quit the job as I am single and there was no one to support me but me. I did threaten to quit several times and he physically barred the door to keep me from leaving. As he depended on me and fully realized that no one else would have worked for him, I was fearful that if I did not come to work, he might hunt me down and physically harm or kill me; his rages were that intense. Only now, after two years of unemployment, am I beginning to feel that my health and sanity is returning. I'd rather be sane and unemployed than in a job where every day was a living hell.
With so much focus on bullying today, law makers ought to take up the issue of bullying in the workplace because it is an overlooked and serious issues affecting the lives and welfare of many people who have no recourse to stop the abuse.
You got that right and supposedly each state's labor relations board is supposed to be the state agency one sees with issues such as these.Sadly many labor relations boards dont havemuch teeth although if you catch your boss verbally assaulting or physically assaulting you on your cellphone camera and bring that to either the relationsboard or the police,then it IS a legal matter..to be dealt with publicly through the courts and that may get you fired but it scares the h*ll out of abusive bosses
onefallingleaf - tell me, when he barred the door and not letting you leave, that is when your moment of 'realization' should have kicked in...HE NEEDED YOU...at that point his tirades should have been seen as violent storms that will subside...case in point, I had a boss who yelled and ranted at me, after a while I would sit back, stretch my legs out in his office and watch HIS blood pressure soar knowing that the worse thing he could do to me was fire me....and i would just say..."are you done?, I have work to do"...and get up and leave. Thats not the worse time though...the worse time is going home and having to sleep on it...thats when the demons come and you have to be super strong to get through that.
Getting a new head boss and your supervisor tells you after they met with the new boss but not you, that the new person wants to fire you. Then continuing to do everything they can to make you look bad and the boss doesn't come and have a 3 way conversation.
Hard to understand why people have to be like this. If everyone supported each other there would be a well working organization. Not the back stabbing, false fronts and just being nasty. If you are an older employee it is rather hard to just walk away and some take advantage of this as well.
The art of workplace bullying so prevalent. In the past 10 years I have worked at several places and have resigned from each one. At the first one I was being sexually harrassed by my supervisor, (I was told as I was leaving, by a fellow coworker that he had done the same thing to others!), and when I shunned the advances his secretary watched me like a hawk trying to find some wrong doing. That one lasted 6 months. During that time I went to the Assistant Superintendent and the Human Resources Manager (who suggested that I needed to find a nice job in the private sector!) Two years ago they found this bullying supervisor dead in his car, he had taken his own life. At the other positions the supervisor was usually female and in one case I put up with her belittling my direct coworker almost everyday, while I just got her snide comments. I quit that one too.
I thought perhaps, through the years I just too sensitive. But it seems as though the experiences have left me literally unable to work. I have taken jobs, but like Willis-627874 experiences, during training it seemed as though the pattern was just repeating itself. I would ask a question and would be told "I just told you that" or "it's not my job to train you!" although I was asking about her client. I quit that one after two weeks. The latest one lasted 1.5 days for me!
No...go to the police.They are the only entity that has a legall right to solve issues such as this or kick some ass in the process and they are supposed to not care who they are..millionaires or otherwise,they are all the same to the cops
So sorry to hear that every work environment you've ever experienced was negative and every boss was a bully. Perhaps we can use your data set to draw some conclusions.
Were there any common denominators between these jobs?
Atheismo - I have put up with bullying all my life - and I cant tell you how I have contorted my brain trying to find the connection, trying to identify what it is with ME. But heres the thing. Ive had very good jobs with good bosses - jobs that I worked without pay when my boss fell on hard times, because he was kind. I have worked in a place where I would have taken a bullet for my boss. That same physical workplace became a place of torment when he left (and not due to his own decision) and a new boss came in that was cruel, sociopathic. Suddenly, that great job, became hell. It has occurred to me that there is no link, other than that there are very many mean people out there. What is the worst part of it, is they can harm you just as badly as a drunk driver who hits you and cripples you for life. They can wreak havoc on your health, your career. By trying to defend yourself, you may preserve some dignity, but in the end, self worth does not pay the rent.
What to do..? Be lucky and dont find yourself in the company of bullies. Easier said than done.
But moreso, some of you reading this ARE the bullies - and to you I say - YOU are causing great pain, and YOU need to stop spreading your own problems around like a cancer. Deal with your own issues, and stop treating those around you like punching bags. If you have ever called an employee a name, ever screamed at a subordinate employee,I assure you, YOU are a bully, and you are a boil on the a$$ of society.
I do believe that most bullies eventually get their comeuppance. Its the devastation they leave in their wake that is the collateral damage that cant be fixed.
I have a boss who is a systematic abuser. She asks a question, demands an answer, and any answer I give will inevitably be the wrong one. Her favorite thing is to point this out in front of all my co-workers. She is trying to make me quit, but I won't, and so the escalation continues.
As an addendum to the above note, it is worth noting that the above mentioned boss and I were the only two people who wrote and distributed a newspaper for 7,000 subscribers of a community newspaper. There was no one else in the office other than he and I and so no one witnessed the abuse I was exposed to and endured for three years. He also did other unethical things, like give by lines to articles I had written to fictitious people so that it was assumed more people worked for the paper than did. When the paper closed, he moved out of state and left owing any number of people. I do have to say, however, that he did not cheat me out of any of my pay. That is the ONLY positive thing I can say about my experience.
No doubt about that, but also take into account a bullying co-worker that your company is coddling and taking 'PC' courses to deal with. I say give them a warning and then fire them.
I swear that managers get training in how to be a bully. Many bullies I have worked for. I never was able to fight back, a symptom of ptsd, caused by child/sexual abuse. My therapist said that the predators know who to target. She is correct. I did fantasize about killing, but would never do it, although I did try to kill myself. Complainers just get fired
It's not complaining that helps. It's action. No doubt your past holds you back from standing up to people, and that has to difficult. Standing up to bullies is the only way to get them to back down. Going to HR in any company is just a waste of time. In fact, HR is usually just a waste of space, but that's another topic.
The old saying goes "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." however in today's over saturated job market, the saying has been changed to "The squeaky wheel gets replaced."
No doubt about that, and consider the bullying co-worker that has your company taking 'PC' courses to deal with. I say give them a warning and then fire them.
I also lasted a whole 7 days on a degrading,demeaning boss.(Nothing like he was at the interview he was the nicest,respectful,professional when he interviewd me)Well after I accepted the postion and started he told me he was "perfect" and everyone else shall live up to his expectations and I wasn't perfect...When I resighned I told him he made his 1st mistake when he hired me the coler drained from his face priceless....I usually can read thru things at the interview but this once had me fooled.Like ..onefallingleave.. stated I'd rather be unemplyed than working in that situation...we will survive I will always hold my head up high and never-never let them see me cry.
I think the problem is worse than reported. I've been bullied and harrassed in different work places. In one work place, the owner was a 95 year old and owned a few buildings in a large city - one day, when there was no one around, he quickly planted a kiss on my lips! Agggh! It was slimy! I pushed him away and yelled - what are you doing!? Well, he was the boss and everyone else in management was related to him so I couldn't complain. But he died like two weeks after that so... that was that.
In another place, I was bullied by a small beady eyed man. I hated him. He was constantly pulling up a chair next to me and claiming he had to sit next to me to ensure I was doing a proper job. The stress began to get to me and well, I didn't play nice and so I was fired. I told him I would run him over if I ever saw him again. I haven't seen him again.
I don't intimidate worth a damn. The last boss that tried to bully me ended up paying for a houe the I picked out in another state at another job.(Or I would own his company)
I had a boss that thought the world of himself but actually had very little understanding of the world in which he lived. He was a bully. My advice to anyone with a bully for a boss. learn as much as you can. work as hard as you can, take on as much responsibility as you can. then leave and start your own business. but be sure to learn the lessons and don't make the same mistakes.
I can tell you that I have been a victim of workplace bullying. Like any other form of abuse, you actually end up trying to please the person bullying you, and even liking them - feeling that you deserve the abuse. The best thing that ever happened was to get laid off from that company. It revitalized a stagnant career and the overwhelming weight of the bullying was lifted - even before I found another job. This is a serious issue, and it requires some serious legislation. The company actually locked people in under abusive bosses - making transfers much more difficult for those who performed poorly. A transfer would have saved me months of abuse, and another department would have definitely needed my skill set - as a quick turnaround to a new job (even in a bad economy) indicated. By criminalizing and making these monsters liable for their actions - I believe the American economy would benefit enormously when every employee could find a niche where they are appreciated. We benefitted from non-discrimination and sexual harrassment laws in previous decades - it is time to end workplace abuse and bullying to reap the benefits that will allow. Too long management has been a haven for military commander wannbes, control freaks, and power hungry pipsqueaks. Invariably - they end up mismanging projects and hurting the bottom line of the company because they are so absorbed in preserving their little power center that they neglect the fundamentals of getting the job done.
We have an extreme bully down the hall at another government agency. She is in charge of about 8 people and runs them like I believe Hitler would. Last year she spent the afternoon yelling and demeaning one of her clerks. The clerk went home, had a heart attack and died the next morning - she was in her early 40's. Now, I don't believe her boss actually killed her but many in that department do. This bully has been reported numerous times but the union always steps in and saves her hide.
Now, several of the employees in the building wear pins that have "Bullying" under the red circle with a slash. I don't know that it does any good but it makes them feel better.
Unions should stand up for rightful behavior and support a reprimand or firing of wrongful behavior. The formation of unions goes back centuries and were established to improve deplorable conditions that workers were forced to work under with minimal compensation. Nowadays, they are mostly money-bleeding parasites.
All employees of our State under the level of Director are in a union. This battleaxe is lower management and in the same union as those that she bullies.
I worked under two supervisors because I worked in two departments. One supervisor was rather nice but had absolutely no power and merely kept her head down and did nothing to protect or support those who worked in her department.
The other supervisor was best friends with the #2 in the chain of command who had hired her. (The #1 in the chain of command was new to the community, a mere figure head and totally clueless.) This supervisor had married into a very rich and by that powerful family in the community. She made everyone's life pure misery. She belittled people to their face and behind their back and lied about people and events. She micromanaged everything, and even listened in on telephone conversations and even tried to tell people what to say and not say. She would scream at people when her wishes were not immediately gratified. I realized very quickly that there was no way I could work with her, and when I tried to speak to human resources about quitting one department and working part-time at the other I was told it was all or nothing. No one stood up to her and within 3 months I had enough. I looked for another job as fast as I could and then resigned. One after another people resigned. They, like me, quit very high paying jobs because no amount of money was worth the mental torture we were experiencing.
The department also relied on volunteers and people stopped volunteering. If people wanted to use the resources of that department they had to deal with her and people very quickly realized that it wasn't worth it. Shortly after I left, the department was closed because people refused to deal with her and thus refused the services of the department. I left the community and took a position elsewhere in the country and never knew what became of her, but I have no doubt she stayed on and made another department miserable. Some people quit without another job and she spread so much malicious gossip, it made it hard for them to find work in the area.
Personally, I hope there is a special ring in Dante's Inferno for the likes of such supervisors....
Moral of the story: it is better to find another job a.s.a.p. than put up with a sociopath. But find your job first, then quit. You don't want anyone mucking up your chances of finding another job.
OMG...Abby I experienced the EXACT same thing. It's as if I wrote your post!
Only difference being, I never got another job. The psycho / sociopath tarnished my good record with HR. I knew I had 6 or 7 admin assist before me that quit and one that committed suicide! They promised to transfer me to another department, but after 22 months, I finally admitted to myself that they were not transferring me anywhere, so I had to quit.
I didn't just lose my job, I lost my family's health insurance, retirement, my dignity and my good working record.
I'm fortunate to have my sanity back, but I wish there could have been some justice!!
There are some very abusive bosses, but I have to say that the other problem is that we have become such a bunch of thin skinned, hyper-sensitive wimps that everyone always feels "Bullied". Its the new buzz word for whiners.
I supervise over 40 people, from professionals to laborers. I'm never abusive, but I would estimate that about a quarter of these people are complete a-holes. They are abusive to their fellow employees, and when I'm forced to reprimand them for say, calling a co-worker a fat pig, I'm the one that is called the A-hole.
I acknowledge that there are bad bosses out there, but I have been supervising people for over thirty years and it is a two way street. You have to look at it this way; There is a certain percentage of the population that are A-holes. I realize that this is a general term, and does include a wide variety of consistent abhorrent behaviors. Within that population, some are bosses, but a greater number are subordinates, sometimes both. Thus while a group of 50 people may have to deal with one boss that is a jerk, the boss has to deal with 50 people with as many as 15 individuals that really make his/her job difficult.
The crux of the problem is that companies and employee relationships have become very adversarial instead of symbiotic. We have forgotten in many cases that the point is basically for everyone to be earning a living. It's another reason companies are moving jobs off shore.
I have worked for fools like that, I don't take it, I usually fire them on the spot, takes them completely by surprise, I usually figure I am missing out on a good oportunity elsewhere, and that usually is the case believe it or not, I have walked out on fools that think they got you, and within a week I am at a job that I like better and co/workers that are more polite. Try it sometime, it feels great.
I lasted a whole 3 days on a new job with an abusive trainer. For starters I worked for free two full days as part of the companys "interview" process. Then I was assigned a trainer that constantly talked over me in front of the customers. I have 4 yrs expierence in the position. Talking over one to give the exact same information isnt very helpful.
Then on day 3 I asked a routine question & she responds 'You dont listen very well do you"? I said its alot of crap to take in during a short period of time. So then I was labeled an a-hole. After that the company didnt contact me for 7 days so I assumed thats grounds for termination. Also her supervisor took up for her. Since I had only been at this company a short time no harn done. But I will be seeing their HR director on the way out.
Bosses like these, ya just kick em in the nuts and before they can recover, slap em on the face with the resignation paperwork attached to gum....
I have run into one of those, they aint fun at all...ya get ulcers after a while...just visualize an ugly bald fat SOB that talks you down like they own you or something.....embarass you infront of your family and always threatens to fire everybody at work....for no reason at all! Last I heard, everybody quit except the one lady he was sleeping with...then the company went under....
All this happening during bad economic times, so you are afraid of losing your job, and these bosses always know when they got you by the balls...pathetic
As long as the job market remains completely saturated with people looking for work like it is now, this sort of abusive employment situation is going to get nothing but worse and worse.
Right now, employers know that people are desperate to hold on to their jobs and that there are just not that many places hiring, so they can take advantage by trimming down their work-force (which serves to not only save money for the company and pad their pockets, but also to instill fear and uncertainty in the remaining work-force) load their workers down with more work and ever-increasing expectations, pay-freezes/cuts, loss of benefits, and all kinds of other rotten crap, like forcing workers to pay for the supplies necessary to do the job out of their own pocket, with no compensation for it.
As it stands, a boss can be just nasty as can be, standing over the workers cracking the whip, all while saying "If you don't like it, you can quit.. but good luck finding another job! HAR! HAR! HARRR!"...
It's is extortion and harassment in every sense and simply disgusting...
My life, my career, my health, my financial security - are all trashed because of workplace bullying. I am human wreckage because of workplace bullying.
I no longer even have hopes and dreams for the future. Its been that bad. I cant tell you how many times I was kicked down, just to pick myself up and dust myself off, and say - "It will be better next time" but honestly? One can only do that so many times before you become like a broken beast of burden. Sullen, without any drive, timid, fearful.
My little bluebird of hope and inspiration lays dead and rotting at the feet of bullies.
Just because they say it does not make it true. My two favorites are: "You should leave here in tears everyday" and "I can't stand to look at you when you talk!!". I can't repeat all of the cussing that was thrown my way by the machismos. Know who and what you are and don't worry about when the negative nay-sayers think.
I am currently unemployed because the bullies won. Again. Each job I have had in this town has had their fare share of bullying. It is really disgusting that it is allowed to go on in the businesses here. They wonder why gangs and bullying is so bad in our schools. Jr. learns it from home.
Wow.. if I had a boss that said "you should leave here in tears every day" I would see red. And my instant retort would be - "What are you. An IDIOT?" There wouldnt even be time for me to think about repercussions. I simply cannot tolerate that kind of treatment!
If a supervisor said "I cant stand to look at you when you talk" then I would say "Hey! Wow! because I cant stand you when youre being a twit! So heres a solution - go back in your office, and close the door behind you!"
The woman who killed herself had more problems than just an abusive boss. Good thing she only killed herself and not take a bunch of other people with her.
Given that women are taking over the workplace, I'd like to see a picture of a woman berated a man instead of the usual-and-oh-so-tired stereotypical picture of a silver-haired man berating a young and attractive woman.
Of course, the only example in the article is of a woman that killed herself. For every female suicide, there are four male suicides.
File a grievance with the state personnel board. That will back off the abusive supervisor. Oh, sorry. The article must be about private sector employees.
Of course its about private sector employees....they are the only companies still in business because they are not burdened down by gangster unions! Just read the Hostess bankruptcy news today
@Ken1973 -- Private sector employees can also be union members. Hostess is a private sector employer that has some unionized (but still private sector) employees. So how can it be that private sector companies are the only ones "not burdened down by gangster unions"? So not sure I get your point, unless of course your point was to throw your own personal political agenda into a non-political discussion about bullying bosses?
The woman who killed herself at work should have shot the boss first.
my sentiments exactly. And not shot herself!
Or she could have sought help to understand that her self worth comes from inside, not her boss. In which case, she could have quit, found a better job, made more money and found happiness.
I guarantee that if she killed her boss and she was found not guilty and went out and got another job, she would have soon found herself the victim again.
We can only change ourselves and the only thing we become slaves to is our own fear.
Wow, as of 4:30 PM, based on above voting, 20 people agree that murder is the proper response to verbal abuse.
Fascinating/terrifying!
Jdillydawg - Those are all lovely platitudes. Yes, she could have quit (like I did), found herself in a bad economy with few jobs in her career field (like I did), burned through her retirement funds (like I did), found herself in poverty (like I did), and ended up struggling with severe clinical depression (like I did). Thats actually more like real life.
But when I quit- without a job waiting for me - When I got away from the bullies that had me so paralyzed with anxiety, anger and frustration that I could no longer carry out my daily duties, I left with my head held high, confident that I would go on to a better and brighter future. OH yes, My future was so bright, had to wear shades.
Funny how reality gets in the way of fairy tale happy endings...
You can change yourself as much as you want. You can tell yourself "I'm going to do a terrific job today! And I'm gonna win! Because I'm
good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggonit, people like me!
But it only takes a few nasty people to bring you low. Just like someone who just won the lottery can be shot by some random punk. Some things, you really cant control - and attacks by bullies are frequently one of those things.
I wish it were otherwise, but life is not all rainbows and skittles, and bad things often happen to good people, no matter how hard they try to avoid those bad things.
Let's see... you are still here. She's gone. No one ever said life was all rainbows and skittles, but I guarantee you have a better shot at finding a rainbow than she does.
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Who told them about my boss !!!! She IS killing me.
Quit.
Yes, I know, you get a paycheck. Is what you are getting paid worth more than your life?
Unfortunately there are some real a-holes to work for out there. Amazing how many people rely on some power trip to make themselves feel like 'the king' at others expense, using fear tactics against people. The same types also enjoy abusing small animals and stalking school yards looking for their 'prey'
The newspaper where I worked as an associate editor went bankrupt in March 10, 2010 and although I have been unemployed since then, the stress of unemployment is nothing compared to working for three years with an extreme bully for a boss. The problem was compounded by the fact that he owned the paper and so there was no one to appeal to. On a daily basis I was demeaned, called vulgar and insulting names, raged at and on several occasions was fearful that I might be physically assaulted. I prayed for the strength to hold on and it was only the grace of God that helped me hold on. I could not afford to quit the job as I am single and there was no one to support me but me. I did threaten to quit several times and he physically barred the door to keep me from leaving. As he depended on me and fully realized that no one else would have worked for him, I was fearful that if I did not come to work, he might hunt me down and physically harm or kill me; his rages were that intense. Only now, after two years of unemployment, am I beginning to feel that my health and sanity is returning. I'd rather be sane and unemployed than in a job where every day was a living hell.
With so much focus on bullying today, law makers ought to take up the issue of bullying in the workplace because it is an overlooked and serious issues affecting the lives and welfare of many people who have no recourse to stop the abuse.
You got that right and supposedly each state's labor relations board is supposed to be the state agency one sees with issues such as these.Sadly many labor relations boards dont havemuch teeth although if you catch your boss verbally assaulting or physically assaulting you on your cellphone camera and bring that to either the relationsboard or the police,then it IS a legal matter..to be dealt with publicly through the courts and that may get you fired but it scares the h*ll out of abusive bosses
onefallingleaf - tell me, when he barred the door and not letting you leave, that is when your moment of 'realization' should have kicked in...HE NEEDED YOU...at that point his tirades should have been seen as violent storms that will subside...case in point, I had a boss who yelled and ranted at me, after a while I would sit back, stretch my legs out in his office and watch HIS blood pressure soar knowing that the worse thing he could do to me was fire me....and i would just say..."are you done?, I have work to do"...and get up and leave. Thats not the worse time though...the worse time is going home and having to sleep on it...thats when the demons come and you have to be super strong to get through that.
Getting a new head boss and your supervisor tells you after they met with the new boss but not you, that the new person wants to fire you. Then continuing to do everything they can to make you look bad and the boss doesn't come and have a 3 way conversation.
Hard to understand why people have to be like this. If everyone supported each other there would be a well working organization. Not the back stabbing, false fronts and just being nasty. If you are an older employee it is rather hard to just walk away and some take advantage of this as well.
My boss will kill me one day from the behavior!
The art of workplace bullying so prevalent. In the past 10 years I have worked at several places and have resigned from each one. At the first one I was being sexually harrassed by my supervisor, (I was told as I was leaving, by a fellow coworker that he had done the same thing to others!), and when I shunned the advances his secretary watched me like a hawk trying to find some wrong doing. That one lasted 6 months. During that time I went to the Assistant Superintendent and the Human Resources Manager (who suggested that I needed to find a nice job in the private sector!) Two years ago they found this bullying supervisor dead in his car, he had taken his own life. At the other positions the supervisor was usually female and in one case I put up with her belittling my direct coworker almost everyday, while I just got her snide comments. I quit that one too.
I thought perhaps, through the years I just too sensitive. But it seems as though the experiences have left me literally unable to work. I have taken jobs, but like Willis-627874 experiences, during training it seemed as though the pattern was just repeating itself. I would ask a question and would be told "I just told you that" or "it's not my job to train you!" although I was asking about her client. I quit that one after two weeks. The latest one lasted 1.5 days for me!
No...go to the police.They are the only entity that has a legall right to solve issues such as this or kick some ass in the process and they are supposed to not care who they are..millionaires or otherwise,they are all the same to the cops
And these are the people in charge of educating our kids!!!
So sorry to hear that every work environment you've ever experienced was negative and every boss was a bully. Perhaps we can use your data set to draw some conclusions.
Were there any common denominators between these jobs?
Atheismo - I have put up with bullying all my life - and I cant tell you how I have contorted my brain trying to find the connection, trying to identify what it is with ME. But heres the thing. Ive had very good jobs with good bosses - jobs that I worked without pay when my boss fell on hard times, because he was kind. I have worked in a place where I would have taken a bullet for my boss. That same physical workplace became a place of torment when he left (and not due to his own decision) and a new boss came in that was cruel, sociopathic. Suddenly, that great job, became hell. It has occurred to me that there is no link, other than that there are very many mean people out there. What is the worst part of it, is they can harm you just as badly as a drunk driver who hits you and cripples you for life. They can wreak havoc on your health, your career. By trying to defend yourself, you may preserve some dignity, but in the end, self worth does not pay the rent.
What to do..? Be lucky and dont find yourself in the company of bullies. Easier said than done.
But moreso, some of you reading this ARE the bullies - and to you I say - YOU are causing great pain, and YOU need to stop spreading your own problems around like a cancer. Deal with your own issues, and stop treating those around you like punching bags. If you have ever called an employee a name, ever screamed at a subordinate employee,I assure you, YOU are a bully, and you are a boil on the a$$ of society.
I do believe that most bullies eventually get their comeuppance. Its the devastation they leave in their wake that is the collateral damage that cant be fixed.
I have a boss who is a systematic abuser. She asks a question, demands an answer, and any answer I give will inevitably be the wrong one. Her favorite thing is to point this out in front of all my co-workers. She is trying to make me quit, but I won't, and so the escalation continues.
As an addendum to the above note, it is worth noting that the above mentioned boss and I were the only two people who wrote and distributed a newspaper for 7,000 subscribers of a community newspaper. There was no one else in the office other than he and I and so no one witnessed the abuse I was exposed to and endured for three years. He also did other unethical things, like give by lines to articles I had written to fictitious people so that it was assumed more people worked for the paper than did. When the paper closed, he moved out of state and left owing any number of people. I do have to say, however, that he did not cheat me out of any of my pay. That is the ONLY positive thing I can say about my experience.
No doubt about that, but also take into account a bullying co-worker that your company is coddling and taking 'PC' courses to deal with. I say give them a warning and then fire them.
I swear that managers get training in how to be a bully. Many bullies I have worked for. I never was able to fight back, a symptom of ptsd, caused by child/sexual abuse. My therapist said that the predators know who to target. She is correct. I did fantasize about killing, but would never do it, although I did try to kill myself. Complainers just get fired
It's not complaining that helps. It's action. No doubt your past holds you back from standing up to people, and that has to difficult. Standing up to bullies is the only way to get them to back down. Going to HR in any company is just a waste of time. In fact, HR is usually just a waste of space, but that's another topic.
The old saying goes "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." however in today's over saturated job market, the saying has been changed to "The squeaky wheel gets replaced."
No doubt about that, and consider the bullying co-worker that has your company taking 'PC' courses to deal with. I say give them a warning and then fire them.
I also lasted a whole 7 days on a degrading,demeaning boss.(Nothing like he was at the interview he was the nicest,respectful,professional when he interviewd me)Well after I accepted the postion and started he told me he was "perfect" and everyone else shall live up to his expectations and I wasn't perfect...When I resighned I told him he made his 1st mistake when he hired me the coler drained from his face priceless....I usually can read thru things at the interview but this once had me fooled.Like ..onefallingleave.. stated I'd rather be unemplyed than working in that situation...we will survive I will always hold my head up high and never-never let them see me cry.
Like a mini-dictator. Good for you.
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I think the problem is worse than reported. I've been bullied and harrassed in different work places. In one work place, the owner was a 95 year old and owned a few buildings in a large city - one day, when there was no one around, he quickly planted a kiss on my lips! Agggh! It was slimy! I pushed him away and yelled - what are you doing!? Well, he was the boss and everyone else in management was related to him so I couldn't complain. But he died like two weeks after that so... that was that.
In another place, I was bullied by a small beady eyed man. I hated him. He was constantly pulling up a chair next to me and claiming he had to sit next to me to ensure I was doing a proper job. The stress began to get to me and well, I didn't play nice and so I was fired. I told him I would run him over if I ever saw him again. I haven't seen him again.
I don't put up with BS anymore.
And my guess is you aren't bullied anymore, which is a good thing. Cool.
Sorry for double-post, my computer is acting like a dinosaur today and is see-sawing between XHTML and Easy Modes and is slooooow.
I don't intimidate worth a damn. The last boss that tried to bully me ended up paying for a houe the I picked out in another state at another job.(Or I would own his company)
I politely tell bullies to "pound sand"
Being a combat Marine veteran helps a little too!
Ooh-Rah! Do you lease-out your services? Could be quite a lucrative business.
Oh yeah!
Ok Jim! Sticking it to the man!
I had a boss that thought the world of himself but actually had very little understanding of the world in which he lived. He was a bully. My advice to anyone with a bully for a boss. learn as much as you can. work as hard as you can, take on as much responsibility as you can. then leave and start your own business. but be sure to learn the lessons and don't make the same mistakes.
I can tell you that I have been a victim of workplace bullying. Like any other form of abuse, you actually end up trying to please the person bullying you, and even liking them - feeling that you deserve the abuse. The best thing that ever happened was to get laid off from that company. It revitalized a stagnant career and the overwhelming weight of the bullying was lifted - even before I found another job. This is a serious issue, and it requires some serious legislation. The company actually locked people in under abusive bosses - making transfers much more difficult for those who performed poorly. A transfer would have saved me months of abuse, and another department would have definitely needed my skill set - as a quick turnaround to a new job (even in a bad economy) indicated. By criminalizing and making these monsters liable for their actions - I believe the American economy would benefit enormously when every employee could find a niche where they are appreciated. We benefitted from non-discrimination and sexual harrassment laws in previous decades - it is time to end workplace abuse and bullying to reap the benefits that will allow. Too long management has been a haven for military commander wannbes, control freaks, and power hungry pipsqueaks. Invariably - they end up mismanging projects and hurting the bottom line of the company because they are so absorbed in preserving their little power center that they neglect the fundamentals of getting the job done.
We have an extreme bully down the hall at another government agency. She is in charge of about 8 people and runs them like I believe Hitler would. Last year she spent the afternoon yelling and demeaning one of her clerks. The clerk went home, had a heart attack and died the next morning - she was in her early 40's. Now, I don't believe her boss actually killed her but many in that department do. This bully has been reported numerous times but the union always steps in and saves her hide.
Now, several of the employees in the building wear pins that have "Bullying" under the red circle with a slash. I don't know that it does any good but it makes them feel better.
Gotta love the unions who protect people like this.
Amen to that. I've learned to hate unions.
Unions should stand up for rightful behavior and support a reprimand or firing of wrongful behavior. The formation of unions goes back centuries and were established to improve deplorable conditions that workers were forced to work under with minimal compensation. Nowadays, they are mostly money-bleeding parasites.
That's strange.. most unions I've ever been familiar with don't really cover management...
WarBeast,
All employees of our State under the level of Director are in a union. This battleaxe is lower management and in the same union as those that she bullies.
Right on... I guess different unions have different rules. I'd just never heard of one that protects management. Thanks for enlightening me.
I worked under two supervisors because I worked in two departments. One supervisor was rather nice but had absolutely no power and merely kept her head down and did nothing to protect or support those who worked in her department.
The other supervisor was best friends with the #2 in the chain of command who had hired her. (The #1 in the chain of command was new to the community, a mere figure head and totally clueless.) This supervisor had married into a very rich and by that powerful family in the community. She made everyone's life pure misery. She belittled people to their face and behind their back and lied about people and events. She micromanaged everything, and even listened in on telephone conversations and even tried to tell people what to say and not say. She would scream at people when her wishes were not immediately gratified. I realized very quickly that there was no way I could work with her, and when I tried to speak to human resources about quitting one department and working part-time at the other I was told it was all or nothing. No one stood up to her and within 3 months I had enough. I looked for another job as fast as I could and then resigned. One after another people resigned. They, like me, quit very high paying jobs because no amount of money was worth the mental torture we were experiencing.
The department also relied on volunteers and people stopped volunteering. If people wanted to use the resources of that department they had to deal with her and people very quickly realized that it wasn't worth it. Shortly after I left, the department was closed because people refused to deal with her and thus refused the services of the department. I left the community and took a position elsewhere in the country and never knew what became of her, but I have no doubt she stayed on and made another department miserable. Some people quit without another job and she spread so much malicious gossip, it made it hard for them to find work in the area.
Personally, I hope there is a special ring in Dante's Inferno for the likes of such supervisors....
Moral of the story: it is better to find another job a.s.a.p. than put up with a sociopath. But find your job first, then quit. You don't want anyone mucking up your chances of finding another job.
OMG...Abby I experienced the EXACT same thing. It's as if I wrote your post!
Only difference being, I never got another job. The psycho / sociopath tarnished my good record with HR. I knew I had 6 or 7 admin assist before me that quit and one that committed suicide! They promised to transfer me to another department, but after 22 months, I finally admitted to myself that they were not transferring me anywhere, so I had to quit.
I didn't just lose my job, I lost my family's health insurance, retirement, my dignity and my good working record.
I'm fortunate to have my sanity back, but I wish there could have been some justice!!
There are some very abusive bosses, but I have to say that the other problem is that we have become such a bunch of thin skinned, hyper-sensitive wimps that everyone always feels "Bullied". Its the new buzz word for whiners.
I supervise over 40 people, from professionals to laborers. I'm never abusive, but I would estimate that about a quarter of these people are complete a-holes. They are abusive to their fellow employees, and when I'm forced to reprimand them for say, calling a co-worker a fat pig, I'm the one that is called the A-hole.
This is the new American way.
They can't take responsibility for their own actions so whoever reports them or calls them on the carpet is the bad guy.
you may be a decent boss, but there are many bad bosses -- don't assume it's the employee(s)
Abby,
I acknowledge that there are bad bosses out there, but I have been supervising people for over thirty years and it is a two way street. You have to look at it this way; There is a certain percentage of the population that are A-holes. I realize that this is a general term, and does include a wide variety of consistent abhorrent behaviors. Within that population, some are bosses, but a greater number are subordinates, sometimes both. Thus while a group of 50 people may have to deal with one boss that is a jerk, the boss has to deal with 50 people with as many as 15 individuals that really make his/her job difficult.
The crux of the problem is that companies and employee relationships have become very adversarial instead of symbiotic. We have forgotten in many cases that the point is basically for everyone to be earning a living. It's another reason companies are moving jobs off shore.
I have worked for fools like that, I don't take it, I usually fire them on the spot, takes them completely by surprise, I usually figure I am missing out on a good oportunity elsewhere, and that usually is the case believe it or not, I have walked out on fools that think they got you, and within a week I am at a job that I like better and co/workers that are more polite. Try it sometime, it feels great.