Then they should use birth control or not have sex until they are ready to take responsibility for the consequences. It's not that hard to not get pregnant. These little unborn babies have a right to life too.
You do know what PLAN B is don't you? It's for those instances when someone is assaulted or a condom breaks. These things do happen! Date rape is a VERY real thing. This pill is not an abortion pill either because once a sperm makes contact with the egg, the pill won't have any effect. Hence you have to take it within a certain time frame. So either learn what the hell you're talking about or don't respond and look like an idiot.
Because a massive number of studies have shown abstinence only education to be extremely ineffective in preventing pregnancy, STD's and the like in teens and young adult.
Oddly enough, readily available sex education, contraceptives, and condoms drastically reduces unwanted pregnancies.
Abstinence-only sex education doesn't teach how to be safe, and leads to more pregnancies and STIs among students who are taught it--they don't learn about proper condom usage and disposal, they don't learn where to buy contraception (condoms, spermicide, foam, etc) or Plan B, they don't learn about birth control or how to get it without being ashamed, and they're shamed from even expressing very natural curiosities and urges regarding their sexuality.
Comprehensive sex ed programs are the reason why the teen pregnancy rate is at a 30 year low right now; those students learned how to protect themselves, regardless of whether or not they decide to wait to have sex.
Because, in the end, abstinence is a method of birth control that should be taught, but not as the only way to be safe. No one should have to feel ashamed or be unprotected because their education failed them, and no one should have to be shamed into believing they're a horrible person for engaging in premarital sex.
If you really want to be educated go to drugs.com & look up Levonorgestrel (main drug in Plan B). It does inhibit sperm reaching egg BUT if fertilization occurs the drug prevents implantation - thus killing the baby.
Oddly enough since the pushing of sex education, especially by Planned Parenthood (some of their 'education' borders on pornography, just look at their sight or their books for children) teenage pregnancy, & sexual activity has increased. The best form of birth-control & prevention of STD's IS a good abstinence program.
Women are NOT oppressed. We are free to make wise life choices. We must respect ourselves & the gift of our femininity. We disrespect ourselves when we allow others to pressure us to do things we deep down know are wrong.
Horrendous things can happen to a woman (date rape, incest). These issues can be handled in a way that brings healing to the woman and, if pregnancy happens, still respect the innocent life of the second victim - the baby
Someone clearly has absolutely no idea what a comprehensive sex ed class is like, or what the real world is like.
The very fact that you place more value on the zygote (which is not, in any medical or scientific abstraction of the word, alive) than the woman is deplorable and belies the fact that women are in fact oppressed.
Pro-life advocates always zero-in on this notion that late-term abortions happen all the time, and that is simply NOT TRUE. Late-term abortion is illegal in the US except for in cases where the mother's life is put at risk by continuing the pregnancy and the fetus won't survive out of the womb, as is usually the case in Mare's Syndrome. It happens when the fetus starts to take in too many nutrients from it's placenta, resulting in parasitism, and the mother is literally being killed by her pregnancy due to the fetus actively causing it's mother to become malnourished. The only way to save her life is to terminate. The woman is an American citizen--a taxpayer, a voter, a human being with thoughts and emotions and relationships. The fetus is none of those things, and is therefore not a priority.
Levonorgestrel prevents fertilization, and it's a common ingredient in hormonal birth control pills. It fools a woman's body into thinking it's already pregnant, and makes fertilization and implantation of a new zygote impossible. To prevent implantation of a zygote, which can't even begin to develop into an embryo until it implants in the endometrial layer of the uterus, is not murder. Levonorgestrel is not, NOT abortive, and trying to present it as such is misinformed and laughable.
Planned Parenthood serves the community by providing medical care for women. They do breast exams, pap smears, regular vaginal exams, prenatal care, educate the community about safe sex practices and contraceptive use. They don't educate using "pornography." They don't show anything regarding sex positions, and if you believe that they do you've clearly never been in one. Because of comprehensive sex education programs and more access to Planned Parenthood clinics, contraceptive use is up and teen pregnancy rates are at a thirty year low. Thirty. Year. Low. Because of Planned Parenthood.
Abstinence-only education causes more pregnancies and STIs in teens because they aren't taught how to practice safe sex with contraceptives and birth control. They're less equipped to make informed decisions about engaging in sexual activity, because their education only told them to not have sex until marriage. That's unrealistic and too great an expectation for a teenager who wants to explore their sexuality. By "sexuality," I mean the following, which is from the Planned Parenthood website:
our bodies, including our sexual and reproductive anatomy
our biological sex — male, female, or intersex
our gender — being a girl, boy, woman, man, or transgender
our gender identities — our comfort with and feelings about our gender
our sexual orientations — straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual, etc.
our sex drives
our sexual identity — the way we feel about our sex, gender, and sexual orientation
By condemning Planned Parenthood and comprehensive sex education programs simply because they work to take away from the cultural and societal shame we associate with sex (by educating about pleasure, masturbation, and being proud of your sexual identity), you are condemning a natural part of the human life cycle that trumps the outdated and ineffective convention of abstinence-until-marriage.
And, before you try to say that Planned Parenthood provides abortions: THEY DON'T. If a woman is adament about getting one, or if during a prenatal exam something is found to be wrong with the pregnancy, Planned Parenthood will recommend the safest place to get one in your area (usually a hospital, medical center, OB/GYN, or an affiliated clinic with a positive reputation). Very, very few Planned Parenthood centers provide them, and even then they will try to explore all of a woman's options with her before they go through with the procedure.
Furthermore, by not making Plan B, Planned Parenthood, and abortion available, you're condemning women to death. One in three American women will have an abortion by the time she's 45: perhaps she couldn't afford to sustain a pregnancy or raise a baby, she had a medical or psychological condition that made pregnancy unnecessarily risky for herself and the people around her, she wan't prepared for motherhood, or she simply didn't want to be a mother. Not every woman does, and some aren't capable of carrying a pregnancy to term without some level of psychological distress, ESPECIALLY after she was raped or made a victim of incest.
Some women do carry those pregnancies to term and put the babies up for adoption, and others choose to raise those babies, but other women can't bear the idea of living in a world where the child of their attacker exists and commit suicide. A woman or man who is sexually assaulted never fully recovers from it; it permeates all their relationships, it effects the way they approach romance and sex, and some of them develop PTSD and other trauma-related psychological conditions.
Women miscarry without knowing they were pregnant all the time, and it's people like you who think that a natural termination is murder, that swallowing semen after oral sex is manslaughter, and that a zygote (a microscopic mass of cells that cannot, in any medical or scientific way, be called living) is as important as a fully developed human being, and that hormonal birth control (which is vital to a woman's sexual health by giving her power over her reproductive ability, which has the potential to ruin her aspirations should an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy occur) is murder. Legally, a fetus isn't alive until it takes it's first breath outside of the womb.
Women shouldn't have people like you, who think the product of sexual assault is "also a victim" when it isn't even alive are as horrible and monstrous as the people who commit rape and incest.
"Oddly enough" - 98%+ of ALL abortions in our country (1.5 MILLION annually for almost 40 years now) are ELECTIVE procedures... abortion HAS become THE "birth control" of choice for a generation of "liberated" women who have had MORE sex education & contraceptive CHOICE than all women in past generations COMBINED. Wake up & stop making excuses for your decisions to have unprotected sex & then 'worry about it' the day after... This is NOT respecting yourself, your sexuality, your partner OR that "unwanted" baby you may have just made. I went to Ship - this is an OUTRAGE. If you want to kill your baby, go to Planned Parenthood - they will most certainly be more than happy to help you out...
I was just watching the Today Show and the panel discussion about the college in Shippensburg, PA dispensing the morning-after pill, giving students access to this medication.
The panel members knew and espoused the the benefits of this policy, but stated, "what are the cons to this?", i.e. why would anyone argue against providing this option. The medical doctor on the panel stated that as a Mom and M.D. she thoroughly supports it and views it as just another form of contraception, "just like a condom is also contraception." The doctor also said, with great confidence, that this pill is NOT an abortion pill because implantation has not yet occurred at that point in time. She said the egg and sperm have joined, BUT because (that) hasn't implanted yet, it is NOT a pregnancy. Logically, to her, a pregnancy does not yet exist, and therefore this pill is just like a condom.
Fact: A condom prevents an egg and sperm from joining. It serves as a barrier form of contraception. I respectfully submit they missed what many of us believe: Once an egg and sperm have joined and the fertilized egg begins to divide, and divide, and divide, all with the presence of its new dna, LIFE HAS ALREADY BEGUN. Just because this new, microscopic life does not yet have a heart-beat or fingerprints, it is how we all began. All of our organs, bones, tissue etc grow over a period of 9 months from these cells which continue to divide and divide and specialize and specialize as they divide. Just because this quickly growing entity of cells is NOT yet attached to the uterine wall for stability and nutrition does not mean it is not a growing life. We all began this way, and this pill would have stopped our growth very early on, and we would not have been given the chance to grow, be born, and live on earth.
So sad the Today Show doesn't know that millions of Americans believe differently than they do. If nothing else, it is uninformed, unilateral journalism. And I would add ethically myopic. Thanks for listening.
You had a good point going until you started talking about how a fertilized egg is a zygote when a medical professional clearly stated that it isn't.
Typically, the sperm and ovum meet in the Fallopian tube and travel to the uterus. Should implantation not occur within the first 72 hours after unprotected sex (which is the same time frame that Plan B will be effective, because it prevents the fertilized egg from implanting) , the ovum will begin to use the leftover energy from the sperm to kick-start division and become a zygote, resulting in ectopic pregnancy, which must be terminated.
Regardless of whether or not sperm and egg meet, preventing implantation is not murder. The cell won't begin to divide and develop into a zygote for three whole days, and it takes weeks for it to become an embryo (by which time organ, bone, and tissue development has begun). The body leaves a window open to allow itself to begin to carry or naturally terminate the pregnancy in the form of a miscarriage, and using Plan B within that window is perfectly fine, because the fertilized egg has yet to begin to reach it's potential to develop to the point that you claim is the beginning of human life. It doesn't reach it's potential to eventually become a human being for three days. It cannot be medically or scientifically misconstrued as any form of "alive" until the cell begins to divide and become a zygote.
Women have been using herbals as birth control and contraception since the Greco-Roman times. Ancient Roman women used a specific species of anise, which is now extinct due to the fact that it was more effective at preventing pregnancy than modern medicine.
I think this is a good idea. College kids are having sex but don't always think about the consequences. This is medically safe and different form of prevention of pregnancy.
I think this is a good idea. College kids are having sex and rarely think about the consequences. This is another form of prevention of pregnancy and it's medically safe!
I think this is a good idea. College kids are having sex and rarely think about the consequences. This is another form of prevention of pregnancy and it's medically safe!
"Regardless of whether or not sperm and egg meet, preventing implantation is not murder."
IMHO, when sperm and egg meet, the miraculous and electrically charged merging of the two IS that sacred moment when life begins. Of course it may die in the tube, and I stand corrected that it begins dividing immediately, and it is not for me to decide if it naturally doesn't make it to implantation, but for centuries humans have been attempting to stop unwanted pregnancies, and to me this is another example of that, but at the cost of a real, yet very immature, human.
Not everyone wants to be a parent so young. A small victory for all women indirectly oppressed by others due to their vulnerability to pregnancy.
Then they should use birth control or not have sex until they are ready to take responsibility for the consequences. It's not that hard to not get pregnant. These little unborn babies have a right to life too.
You do know what PLAN B is don't you? It's for those instances when someone is assaulted or a condom breaks. These things do happen! Date rape is a VERY real thing. This pill is not an abortion pill either because once a sperm makes contact with the egg, the pill won't have any effect. Hence you have to take it within a certain time frame. So either learn what the hell you're talking about or don't respond and look like an idiot.
Fellatio leads to cannibalism!
why not educate the students on abstinence and the blessings that come from waiting instead of promoting sex before marriage?3 minutes ago ·
Because a massive number of studies have shown abstinence only education to be extremely ineffective in preventing pregnancy, STD's and the like in teens and young adult.
Oddly enough, readily available sex education, contraceptives, and condoms drastically reduces unwanted pregnancies.
Abstinence-only sex education doesn't teach how to be safe, and leads to more pregnancies and STIs among students who are taught it--they don't learn about proper condom usage and disposal, they don't learn where to buy contraception (condoms, spermicide, foam, etc) or Plan B, they don't learn about birth control or how to get it without being ashamed, and they're shamed from even expressing very natural curiosities and urges regarding their sexuality.
Comprehensive sex ed programs are the reason why the teen pregnancy rate is at a 30 year low right now; those students learned how to protect themselves, regardless of whether or not they decide to wait to have sex.
Because, in the end, abstinence is a method of birth control that should be taught, but not as the only way to be safe. No one should have to feel ashamed or be unprotected because their education failed them, and no one should have to be shamed into believing they're a horrible person for engaging in premarital sex.
Wow! Only $25?! It's like $60 at a regular drug store :(
If you really want to be educated go to drugs.com & look up Levonorgestrel (main drug in Plan B). It does inhibit sperm reaching egg BUT if fertilization occurs the drug prevents implantation - thus killing the baby.
Oddly enough since the pushing of sex education, especially by Planned Parenthood (some of their 'education' borders on pornography, just look at their sight or their books for children) teenage pregnancy, & sexual activity has increased. The best form of birth-control & prevention of STD's IS a good abstinence program.
Women are NOT oppressed. We are free to make wise life choices. We must respect ourselves & the gift of our femininity. We disrespect ourselves when we allow others to pressure us to do things we deep down know are wrong.
Horrendous things can happen to a woman (date rape, incest). These issues can be handled in a way that brings healing to the woman and, if pregnancy happens, still respect the innocent life of the second victim - the baby
Someone clearly has absolutely no idea what a comprehensive sex ed class is like, or what the real world is like.
The very fact that you place more value on the zygote (which is not, in any medical or scientific abstraction of the word, alive) than the woman is deplorable and belies the fact that women are in fact oppressed.
Pro-life advocates always zero-in on this notion that late-term abortions happen all the time, and that is simply NOT TRUE. Late-term abortion is illegal in the US except for in cases where the mother's life is put at risk by continuing the pregnancy and the fetus won't survive out of the womb, as is usually the case in Mare's Syndrome. It happens when the fetus starts to take in too many nutrients from it's placenta, resulting in parasitism, and the mother is literally being killed by her pregnancy due to the fetus actively causing it's mother to become malnourished. The only way to save her life is to terminate. The woman is an American citizen--a taxpayer, a voter, a human being with thoughts and emotions and relationships. The fetus is none of those things, and is therefore not a priority.
Levonorgestrel prevents fertilization, and it's a common ingredient in hormonal birth control pills. It fools a woman's body into thinking it's already pregnant, and makes fertilization and implantation of a new zygote impossible. To prevent implantation of a zygote, which can't even begin to develop into an embryo until it implants in the endometrial layer of the uterus, is not murder. Levonorgestrel is not, NOT abortive, and trying to present it as such is misinformed and laughable.
Planned Parenthood serves the community by providing medical care for women. They do breast exams, pap smears, regular vaginal exams, prenatal care, educate the community about safe sex practices and contraceptive use. They don't educate using "pornography." They don't show anything regarding sex positions, and if you believe that they do you've clearly never been in one. Because of comprehensive sex education programs and more access to Planned Parenthood clinics, contraceptive use is up and teen pregnancy rates are at a thirty year low. Thirty. Year. Low. Because of Planned Parenthood.
Abstinence-only education causes more pregnancies and STIs in teens because they aren't taught how to practice safe sex with contraceptives and birth control. They're less equipped to make informed decisions about engaging in sexual activity, because their education only told them to not have sex until marriage. That's unrealistic and too great an expectation for a teenager who wants to explore their sexuality. By "sexuality," I mean the following, which is from the Planned Parenthood website:
By condemning Planned Parenthood and comprehensive sex education programs simply because they work to take away from the cultural and societal shame we associate with sex (by educating about pleasure, masturbation, and being proud of your sexual identity), you are condemning a natural part of the human life cycle that trumps the outdated and ineffective convention of abstinence-until-marriage.
And, before you try to say that Planned Parenthood provides abortions: THEY DON'T. If a woman is adament about getting one, or if during a prenatal exam something is found to be wrong with the pregnancy, Planned Parenthood will recommend the safest place to get one in your area (usually a hospital, medical center, OB/GYN, or an affiliated clinic with a positive reputation). Very, very few Planned Parenthood centers provide them, and even then they will try to explore all of a woman's options with her before they go through with the procedure.
Furthermore, by not making Plan B, Planned Parenthood, and abortion available, you're condemning women to death. One in three American women will have an abortion by the time she's 45: perhaps she couldn't afford to sustain a pregnancy or raise a baby, she had a medical or psychological condition that made pregnancy unnecessarily risky for herself and the people around her, she wan't prepared for motherhood, or she simply didn't want to be a mother. Not every woman does, and some aren't capable of carrying a pregnancy to term without some level of psychological distress, ESPECIALLY after she was raped or made a victim of incest.
Some women do carry those pregnancies to term and put the babies up for adoption, and others choose to raise those babies, but other women can't bear the idea of living in a world where the child of their attacker exists and commit suicide. A woman or man who is sexually assaulted never fully recovers from it; it permeates all their relationships, it effects the way they approach romance and sex, and some of them develop PTSD and other trauma-related psychological conditions.
Women miscarry without knowing they were pregnant all the time, and it's people like you who think that a natural termination is murder, that swallowing semen after oral sex is manslaughter, and that a zygote (a microscopic mass of cells that cannot, in any medical or scientific way, be called living) is as important as a fully developed human being, and that hormonal birth control (which is vital to a woman's sexual health by giving her power over her reproductive ability, which has the potential to ruin her aspirations should an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy occur) is murder. Legally, a fetus isn't alive until it takes it's first breath outside of the womb.
Women shouldn't have people like you, who think the product of sexual assault is "also a victim" when it isn't even alive are as horrible and monstrous as the people who commit rape and incest.
"Oddly enough" - 98%+ of ALL abortions in our country (1.5 MILLION annually for almost 40 years now) are ELECTIVE procedures... abortion HAS become THE "birth control" of choice for a generation of "liberated" women who have had MORE sex education & contraceptive CHOICE than all women in past generations COMBINED. Wake up & stop making excuses for your decisions to have unprotected sex & then 'worry about it' the day after... This is NOT respecting yourself, your sexuality, your partner OR that "unwanted" baby you may have just made. I went to Ship - this is an OUTRAGE. If you want to kill your baby, go to Planned Parenthood - they will most certainly be more than happy to help you out...
I was just watching the Today Show and the panel discussion about the college in Shippensburg, PA dispensing the morning-after pill, giving students access to this medication.
The panel members knew and espoused the the benefits of this policy, but stated, "what are the cons to this?", i.e. why would anyone argue against providing this option. The medical doctor on the panel stated that as a Mom and M.D. she thoroughly supports it and views it as just another form of contraception, "just like a condom is also contraception." The doctor also said, with great confidence, that this pill is NOT an abortion pill because implantation has not yet occurred at that point in time. She said the egg and sperm have joined, BUT because (that) hasn't implanted yet, it is NOT a pregnancy. Logically, to her, a pregnancy does not yet exist, and therefore this pill is just like a condom.
Fact: A condom prevents an egg and sperm from joining. It serves as a barrier form of contraception. I respectfully submit they missed what many of us believe: Once an egg and sperm have joined and the fertilized egg begins to divide, and divide, and divide, all with the presence of its new dna, LIFE HAS ALREADY BEGUN. Just because this new, microscopic life does not yet have a heart-beat or fingerprints, it is how we all began. All of our organs, bones, tissue etc grow over a period of 9 months from these cells which continue to divide and divide and specialize and specialize as they divide. Just because this quickly growing entity of cells is NOT yet attached to the uterine wall for stability and nutrition does not mean it is not a growing life. We all began this way, and this pill would have stopped our growth very early on, and we would not have been given the chance to grow, be born, and live on earth.
So sad the Today Show doesn't know that millions of Americans believe differently than they do. If nothing else, it is uninformed, unilateral journalism. And I would add ethically myopic. Thanks for listening.
You had a good point going until you started talking about how a fertilized egg is a zygote when a medical professional clearly stated that it isn't.
Typically, the sperm and ovum meet in the Fallopian tube and travel to the uterus. Should implantation not occur within the first 72 hours after unprotected sex (which is the same time frame that Plan B will be effective, because it prevents the fertilized egg from implanting) , the ovum will begin to use the leftover energy from the sperm to kick-start division and become a zygote, resulting in ectopic pregnancy, which must be terminated.
Regardless of whether or not sperm and egg meet, preventing implantation is not murder. The cell won't begin to divide and develop into a zygote for three whole days, and it takes weeks for it to become an embryo (by which time organ, bone, and tissue development has begun). The body leaves a window open to allow itself to begin to carry or naturally terminate the pregnancy in the form of a miscarriage, and using Plan B within that window is perfectly fine, because the fertilized egg has yet to begin to reach it's potential to develop to the point that you claim is the beginning of human life. It doesn't reach it's potential to eventually become a human being for three days. It cannot be medically or scientifically misconstrued as any form of "alive" until the cell begins to divide and become a zygote.
Women have been using herbals as birth control and contraception since the Greco-Roman times. Ancient Roman women used a specific species of anise, which is now extinct due to the fact that it was more effective at preventing pregnancy than modern medicine.
I think this is a good idea. College kids are having sex but don't always think about the consequences. This is medically safe and different form of prevention of pregnancy.
I think this is a good idea. College kids are having sex and rarely think about the consequences. This is another form of prevention of pregnancy and it's medically safe!
I think this is a good idea. College kids are having sex and rarely think about the consequences. This is another form of prevention of pregnancy and it's medically safe!
Marie,
I appreciate your response.
We just disagree on one key concept:
"Regardless of whether or not sperm and egg meet, preventing implantation is not murder."
IMHO, when sperm and egg meet, the miraculous and electrically charged merging of the two IS that sacred moment when life begins. Of course it may die in the tube, and I stand corrected that it begins dividing immediately, and it is not for me to decide if it naturally doesn't make it to implantation, but for centuries humans have been attempting to stop unwanted pregnancies, and to me this is another example of that, but at the cost of a real, yet very immature, human.
thanks