That's horrible. Never EVER be so blinded by "love" that you can't do something as simple as read and verify papers you're handed to by your spouse or anyone. That should have been a red flag right there. And second, what kind of messed up family is that guy from? Sleeping with another woman so his wife can have another woman's baby, for free? What's wrong, they are too cheap to pay the tens of thousands of dollars to actually adopt?
Regardless of this woman's failure to read those papers, this is a total scam on that guys part and they should be completely barred from touching that baby.
Yes this is very sad for her and the child, no matter who gets custody, the child will always be torn in two! Shame on the wife for going along with this horrible scheme, both the father and his wife should only be allowed supervised visitation, as they are obviously of low moral character.
Did anyone notice the woman in this video looked similiar to the wife in one of the photos? I think he contrived this to get her pregnant, and him and his wife adopt the baby, w/o going through normal adoption proceedings and paying lawyers and fees. One question, doesn't he have to have her sign infront of a notary?
This is monstrous. Maybe there is a reason his wife couldn't have children. I can not fathom having "parents" capable of doing such a horrible thing. I hope she learned her lesson. Never sign anything you don't understand. God bless that poor child. I hope she gets her baby back and never sees that miscreant again.
... and barred from ever being able to adopt a child the right way.
What a horrible, horrible man. My heart goes out to the 29 year old woman and the baby - who hopefully, will grow up knowing his/her father is incarcerated.
Wasn't this an old TV movie with Tracey Gold? Where a guy meets a single woman, conspires to get her pregnant and then kidnaps the baby because the guy and his wife can't have children of her own? And yes, in the movie, the guy deliberately picked a woman who looked like his wife and in the movie, he told Tracey Gold that he was single.
I think the name of the movie was called "sleep, baby, sleep"? In that movie, Kyle Chandler was the guy and he played a security guard. I wonder if this guy Dippold got this idea from the movie. The situations are very coincidental.
Whoa. Let's all slow down a little. How do we know she is telling the truth. I am not saying he is, but I don't buy the "I didn't know what I was signing" crap, especially if his real name was on the papers. Her story does not add up, and we don't really know his side.
Nothing wrong with sleeping with someone you are not married to. Well, except the STD's. And the unwanted children murdered. and the needless heartache. and screwing up other peoples lives and ruined families. and going to Hell for fornication. Other than that, it's perfectly OK.
Doodle Bug...That's what I'm wondering as well. Wouldn't papers like this have to be signed in front of a notary to be legal? I mean man, my Mom had to sign off in front of a notary when I was 16 to allow my Father to take me on a vacation outside of the country. I would think that something as major as signing your parental rights away would have to be as well.
Either way, sad sad story. I really hope for the child's sake, they cut that guy and his wife out completely. I mean what kind of person does something like that?
This is why if you don't understand something, you have it looked over by a lawyer before you sign it.
Signing in front of a notary would not have prevented this. The notary does not interpret the paperwork that's being signed...all he does is verify the identity of the person signing the paperwork, attesting that the signature actually belongs to the signer.
She has to be really dumb to have believed he was a DuPont and divorced. Because why would someone from that family be looking for online for a relationship, much less with someone like her?
I completely agree with spellchecker on this. How do we know she isn't full of crap? Heck, women do stuff like this ALL the time. They deny fathers their rights to see kids, don't let dad's sign birth certificates or worse, they have a guy they would rather have as the father convinced to sign the birth cert's. What about women who go have abortions and never give the father the right to help in that decision?
Moral shock and outrage at this man needs to be restrained until we know the whole story. Not just her side. I mean, I know women NEVER lie, right?
Good gawd, how brain dead did this woman have to be to believe this guy. A divorced CIA agent from the DuPont family. I mean, come on!!!!!!!!!! And to believe he'd be looking for love on line with a tramp like her. It just doesn't get any better. As another poster said.....bottom of the gene pool.
keep in mind that for some couples there is a huge difference between basic adoption vs biological children. if the wife couldn't have a child he may not have been willing to adopt "someone else's baby" (i know a few couples like that)... and going through a surrogate is extremely expensive ($100,000 plus), so they may have figured this was the way to do it....if the allegations are true they are truly horrid and narcissisistic people for duping the girl in order to have his biological child...
Yep, the woman was an idiot. At least two "red flags" in his background, but she was "young and in love" and didn't bother to check them out. Then over several months, the bastard cements his story with her, then tricks her into signing the papers (I'm sure in front of a notary or the courts wouldn't accept them). The judge found her story credible enough to throw the adoption out on fraud charges. I'll take the judge's word for it.
Much as I can't stand how on-sided our family law system is stacked against the father, this is one case where I hope the judge institutes a large child support payment and limits visitation strictly - supervised only, at the mother's home, no wife present. That is if he allows any visitation at all.
My understanding is that especially when it's a mother giving up her rights, you have to do more than just sign and notarize; there's a waiting period and you have to go before a judge and discuss it with him or her before you sign and the judge signs off. But maybe I'm ill-informed or its done differently in another state. But it seems pretty suspicious that there wouldn't be more hoops to jump through.
Being blond, i guess makes way for you know, Stupidity.
Ah well, Just move on lady you signed the papers, should have had a lawyer present before signing anything. But you didnt, She could be fabricating all of this because she was a surragate mother, some of them do take the child back. Ah well.
Sorry Missy maybe next time you check your guy out before opening up your legs to him.
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." -- Shakespeare
Well, I try to not be swayed by anecodatal evidence, so I can not say whether she is as blameless as she claims, but neither can I find any cause to disbelieve.
As a crowd, we tend to be influenced by popular fiction, such as the movie cited above, and by real life events, which may be similar but not the same.
I think that she should be allowed to challenge the papers she signed, but she should be checked out as to her worthyness as a parent.
I can think of no worse fate for a child than to be a pawn in the struggles of failed love affairs. God Bless the Child.
@cmanz: I think he was demonstrating something known as 'sarcasm', it's a form of humor I believe, of course it may seem strange to you assuming you've never heard of it before.
Agreed, @myspellcheckerisbroken. She would have had to REALLY not read the papers in order for his real name to appear on them and her not have noticed - or if his fake DuPont name is on them, they wouldn't be valid. Something's really not right with her story.
She lay down, she did the deed and she should pay the price...end of story...end of discussion. It's his child too...thanks to her ignorance and irresponsibility... he should have rights too! If he wants to see the little ick...
Are you kidding....she should lose her child because she "did the deed" are you insane....yes he should get visitation with the child but why on earth should his wife be able to adopt that child, she was mislead by him??
This woman had a baby, which is not a crime. Give her her child and leave her alone. That "father" has absolutely no rights to the child. This was pure fraud and deception.
Perhaps if she volunteered without duplicity being involved, I might understand your comment.
This slimeball preyed upon a very vulnerable class of person: a single mother. She went into it assuming (as everyone does who uses dating sites) that she was getting potentially committed companionship. He, I'm sure, had no intentions of that kind of a relationship.
I'd be very interested to see what name he signed the agreement as. I'll bet he didn't even sign it (with his real name) until after she signed.
I'm sorry - but he should be forced to pay child support and get zero visitation rights. He fathered a child under false pretenses. While he should have responsibility for providing for the child, he shouldn't have any legal claim of visitation.
While i do feel sorry for this lady, come on... from a very wealthy family and working for the CIA... if someone tells you they work for the CIA when you first meet them odds are high they do not work for the CIA. Giant red flag, I mean haven't you ever seen the movie True Lies?
Serolod - go to your profile and re-read some of the things you post. You are a very negative person! I don't understand exactly what you are trying to contribute to any of the stories you comment on!
People make mistakes; quit acting like you don't...
I'm sorry, but I pretty much have no sympathy for the girl....apparently people have forgotten that marriage is supposed to come BEFORE having babies. This is the reason why we have so many unwed single mothers!! I agree that she was scammed unmercifully by this creep and SHOULD get her child back; but, forgive me, she needs to get some brains in the future. Let's hope that if she gets her child back....the courts make him pay child support!! What kind of a wife would allow her husband to go out and sleep with another woman just to get a baby....that's really getting ridiculous!! This whole thing stinks!
Women do not deserve punishment for having sex. Get over it, that's never been right. Forcing any female to have a child as a punishment for having sex is also wrong. What a disgusting double standard. No one's damning him for having sex with her. It's always the woman's fault.
There's an undercurrent that if a girl or woman falls pregnant when birth control fails, 'she has to pay for her sin.' We don't know what's between her and God. Anyone who presumes to do so is judging her. That's a greater sin against the Lord.
Jesus said 'Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone.' He knew all the sins in their hearts.
There must be a bunch of perfect people on these boards. Amazing.
Didi-376564 OK, Church Lady. Sorry, but he is the one who scammed her. Technically, he was more 'immoral' because he also committed adultery. No comment on his loose morals? Guess, what? We have separation of church and state in this country. The issue here is whether something criminal took place not whether she obeyed your church's teaching.
JTrowbrdge, that's a completely false statement. Sociopaths can be extremely deceptive, seeming to all to be normal, decent people. They often prey upon our human instincts of sociability, traits which have generally helped us survive as a species, but serve the predators as a way in to victimize the unsuspecting. I'm wondering if you think the same way about victims of physical violence too.
The guy lied to her not only about being married, but about being unable to have children, so no doubt she wasn't expecting to get pregnant (never, ever believe a guy when he says this. Amazing how many men will lie to get out of wearing a condom). This is clearly fraud on the part of this man, and his wife. What disgusting human beings.
No one's rights should be taken away because of the moral judgement of onlookers. This is why real justice is left to professionals, like judges and social workers.
When people jump to conclusions like Serold does above, it makes my skin crawl.
What's next, Serold, your version of Sharia law? Make women dress blandly lest they incite some desire? Then comes the burka, huh?
tysvm Sir. Sometimes I just can't help myself. That's why I am the BadGirl. I think jak is soooo obviously a tool...and not a useful tool, but one of those old rusty ones in the back of the shed that you can't remember why you ever bought the useless thing but it was on sale.......hmmm...maybe now is the time to toss that useless tool away...or send it to be recycled into something useful. What would you do??
There's 2 sides to every story, but... if what she says is true...
And why would a woman want to adopt a child from her husband's mistress? That makes no sense and there's a lot more to this story... I suspect more truth will come out and since this has been made public, the wife may change her mind.
They were probably in it together. Can't afford to adopt so why not trick someone into giving them their baby. I'm sure they worked out a deal with eachother to get a baby.
Some women are so focused on getting a child they don't care how they get it. This man and his wife need to see some serious mental help. She probably would have been in the news for stealing a child from a hospital or some other crazy scam if this one had not come to light.
Most likely the man and his wife did not want to go through normal channels and pay the money they would have to give a surrogate mother. The wife did not see this woman as a mistress, she saw her as a womb. Imagine them raising a child to be as underhanded as they are. On the other hand, any woman stupid enough to believe any man's "love" and blindly sign paperwork...needs her head examined. Pfffffttt!
Belive it or not this does happen I have twin daughters to prove it there father is married he and his wife could not have anymore chilpren after they had there daughter. they wanted more kids. He told me he was divorced and I belived him she did not live in the same state. I did not find out the truth till it was to late. My girls are now 9 we went to court she never tried to adopt them but he does have custody of them. SO THIS DOES HAPPEN.
Some women who cannot have children of their own are desperate to get one, no matter how( look at all the cases where women were killed and had their babies stolen). The child is at least biologically his, so the man thought to get his wife to raise it. What a horrible thing to do to that woman he started a relationship with! I hope this man didn't do this to others too.
Would want someone more intelligent than this woman to be the mother of my child. My wife would never have wanted a baby that badly as to have allowed me to work a scam like this in any event, even had I wanted to.
Seems it would be the most cost effective route for him and his wife to go through. The new mom paid for all of the doctor bills I am guessing, there would be little if any legal fees or any other types of fees and of course no child support. I think his 'oh well see these THREE small photos, they were at my home - how could she not know I am married'. Does he realize, he just admitted taking her to his home, that he shares w/ his wife? My guess? A normal man would not do this, unless the wife was also in on it. No 'hi honey I'm home' ... I think he took her too his home, to continue to mislead her.
Denial's very powerful in human beings. Unless he told her outright that he was married, how would she know he wasn't single? As usual, a man expected a woman to read be a mindreader. What a disgusting creep.
They start us off young by giving us Santa and the Easter Bunny only to break our hearts by telling us it was all a lie. Our religion is a lie preached by con men who only care for money and power. Our past is a lie, our history has been written and erased and rewritten by each successive empire to make their murderous conquest seem justified. We sit in front of an idiot box and watch lies from the time we are born till the time we die, even reality TV is fake, it's all lies. Hell there is even an entire TV News station devoted to telling nothing but lies, Fox. Our politicians are paid professional liars who are hand picked for their ability to spin lies into the truth. So what do you expect, our entire existence is a lie from rib women and floating zoo's to the present day.
We reward liars well, the better a liar you are the more money you can make, Lawyers, politicians, actors and TV evangelists all make a very some killer cash lying for a living.
Congrats on the most idiotic statement I've read of the day.
My wife and I both met through an online dating site. LOTS of people meet that way these days - and lots of those liasons lead to more permanent relationships.
She was probably "looking for love" and he was "looking for someone to deceive". There are definitely folks using the online dating systems for other things than what they're intended. As an aside... while dating online - I went out on a date with what I assumed was a fine looking young lady - until we got back to my place and I discovered her name was Lola (if you get my drift). Being the polite gentleman I am, I explained that wasn't the kind of relationship I was looking for and politely escorted "her" to the door.
Thank God I stuck with it because I found the perfect woman. She can put up with my $hit - and that's saying a lot. We have two wonderful children and, I forsee, a long future together.
really never loved and trusted someone so that you believe what they tell you. not me i don't trust any man but i have seen people do it over and over again. he is a con man a scammer who preyed on a young innocent woman to get what he wanted. not the first to do it and won't be the last as long as women are so in need of being loved that they accept less than marriage now that she has a child with this man she will have to put up with him for the rest of the child's life.
Agreed, Sandi! There had to be multiple red flags she ignored because she was so blinded by her need for love. If I read correctly, she was a single mom to begin with, so, it's not the first time she's accepted less than marriage. I wonder who fathered the first child and where he is now... She obviously never heard "why buy the cow, if you can get the milk for free..?" I feel sorry for her kids...
For those dissing Ms. Gaffney for signing the papers without reading and understanding them. Didn't Nancy Pelosi want the Obamacare bill signed before disclosing what was in it? I know her quote is on record. Just proves that Ms. Gaffney was too trusting. Unfortunately, so were our politicians.
Yeah, this guy seems totally shady (assuming she's telling the truth.) He gets her pregnant and then tries to take the baby, claiming she should have know he was married?
A. If he seems to good to be true, he probably is. B. Never sign anything you haven't had an attorney through read first. And C. Really?? She should have googled this guy. It's her own stupid fault. But did she have safe sex? Apparently not.
This woman is obviously not very bright or well educated, on top of being too trusting while blinded by her desire to find love. Which does not make anything the slimeball guy did to her right - it's even more despicable, that he took advantage of such a simpleton.
REALLY?!?! Ok, you're dating someone and never check them out? You never look at their ID? Even worse, you sign papers and NOT read them?! How STUPID can you be?! UGH, people like this help keep the 'women are stupid' stereotype alive...Good luck with that battle Honey. I don't know if you should have your kid if you are so willing to sign papers and didn't read them!!
As I said above, a man that takes his girl friend to his home, that he shares with his wife - is up to something. NO way the wife would not accidently come home or .. be there.. unless she was in on it, and taking her to the home was to further convince this young woman he was available.
The wife was in on it. That's why the mother looked a lot like her. She probably planned the whole thing and he was willing to sleep around with a hall pass. IF she had agreed to the abortion he would have probably told her to have the baby and just let HIM raise it. You'd be surprised at how many dumb women will do that.
MG its mentality like yours that makes people blame the victim and not the criminal. Yes, what she did was definitely not the smartest thing to do but she obviously signed those papers thiniking a family would be the end result. If you're going to blame anyone, why not start with the guy who lured some woman online, made her think he loved her and then completely took advantage of that? But she's the bad guy here??? Completely obsurd. Use your brain once and a while, sheesh.
MG is exactly right here. This woman is so stupid and irresponsible that she should not be allowed to have custody of the kid, or even the one she already has. Talk about the low end of the gene pool here. Just when you think you've heard it all........
Oh, and btw, she is not any sort of "victim". She entered into this relationship on her own free will, had unprotected sex on her own free will, signed a document she shouldn't have because she is so dim. Actually everything about this girl just makes a me shake my head in discust. Would not be surprised if she's drawing welfare benefits that I"M paying for.!
As dumb as my statement sounds, this is comparable to cutting a baby from a mother's woman, their desperation is about the same.. Allowing your husband to knock up another woman just to snatch the baby.. Sick Sick Sick..
OK... What geniuses are still playing the online dating game? First sign that she's not the sharpest crayon in the box, however, criminal that she was taken advantage of in such a manner.
Wiskoe418 - "MG its mentality like yours... Completely obsurd. Use your brain once and a while, sheesh."
Physician, heal thyself... Luke 4:23
"MG its it's (contraction of it is) mentality like yours... Completely obsurd absurd. Use your brain once and in a while (now and then), sheesh."
Yes, I realize this is just a blog post... blah, blah, blah. The dumbing down of America started with just such an excuse, and now we have women signing away their parental rights without reading the paperwork. Sheesh.
There's nothing wrong with online dating. Many people do it nowadays, because it's hard to break the ice. Some minorities use it to find acceptance for who they are on the inside and not be judged. Anyone can be scammed in person, too, as well as online. It's not all because it started from online. Crimes have been going on for years, even before the internet. It annoys me so much when people always blame it on the fact that it came from an online relationship.
Many people do lots of... things, but it doesn't make them right or even a wise choice.
Some minorities use it to find acceptance for who they are on the inside and not be judged.
I find that grossly narrow-minded. Many "beautiful people" want the same acceptance, but, instantly you are eliminating the tell-tale sign as to whether the other person "judges a book by its cover". That isn't anyone with whom I'd choose to have a relationship. As for being scammed in person... you're absolutely right, and what a sad commentary on humanity as a whole. Still, I'd rather look 'em dead in the eye before I got involved with anyone, and I'd certainly read any paperwork handed to me before signing it, which has absolutely nothing to do with online dating, just common (perhaps uncommon) sense.
Double-Standard much? She's stupid for having unprotected sex and believing she was in love and signing a document she thought was designed to allow him parental rights, in order to keep harmony in their relationship, but he's NOT stupid for having unprotected sex, using her, and manipulating her? We all make mistakes (as she did), especially when feeling desperate for love, but we don't all use people and lie to their face (as he did.) Which is really worse?
Out of all the comments read, this is one is the essence of the story! Desperate people definitely do desperate things. In most 'cons' there is always elements of truth.... the wife probably couldn't have children and couldn't see any other way but to scam someone else to surrogate the child via the father's sperm. I'm sure both the husband and wife team cooked this up together then found someone who would be so gullible (honestly, how many people really do read contracts before signing? I'm a real estate agent and I know that only 2 of 10 people will read before signing the purchase contract).
However in fact, our country's adoption process is so messed up. There are so many honest, hard working, legal and morally minded individuals and couples who SHOULD have childred who due to medical reasons cannot who are denied by the adoption process and there a many more children in THIS country who need to be adopted. It is a real shame!
What a horrible man. I hope he loses ALL custody of this child. She wasn't so smart either, should have had a lawyer look over anything she signed, BUT still to be lied to that way. And for him to do it the way he did. He is total scum.
That's horrible. Never EVER be so blinded by "love" that you can't do something as simple as read and verify papers you're handed to by your spouse or anyone. That should have been a red flag right there. And second, what kind of messed up family is that guy from? Sleeping with another woman so his wife can have another woman's baby, for free? What's wrong, they are too cheap to pay the tens of thousands of dollars to actually adopt?
Regardless of this woman's failure to read those papers, this is a total scam on that guys part and they should be completely barred from touching that baby.
Yes this is very sad for her and the child, no matter who gets custody, the child will always be torn in two! Shame on the wife for going along with this horrible scheme, both the father and his wife should only be allowed supervised visitation, as they are obviously of low moral character.
Did anyone notice the woman in this video looked similiar to the wife in one of the photos? I think he contrived this to get her pregnant, and him and his wife adopt the baby, w/o going through normal adoption proceedings and paying lawyers and fees. One question, doesn't he have to have her sign infront of a notary?
This is monstrous. Maybe there is a reason his wife couldn't have children. I can not fathom having "parents" capable of doing such a horrible thing. I hope she learned her lesson. Never sign anything you don't understand. God bless that poor child. I hope she gets her baby back and never sees that miscreant again.
... and barred from ever being able to adopt a child the right way.
What a horrible, horrible man. My heart goes out to the 29 year old woman and the baby - who hopefully, will grow up knowing his/her father is incarcerated.
What a completly and utterly creepy story. That poor poor child who is completely innocent. What kind of "parents" would they be. Its grotesque.
Just when you think you have seen the bottom on the gene pool, BAM out jumps another one or two!!
Wasn't this an old TV movie with Tracey Gold? Where a guy meets a single woman, conspires to get her pregnant and then kidnaps the baby because the guy and his wife can't have children of her own? And yes, in the movie, the guy deliberately picked a woman who looked like his wife and in the movie, he told Tracey Gold that he was single.
I think the name of the movie was called "sleep, baby, sleep"? In that movie, Kyle Chandler was the guy and he played a security guard. I wonder if this guy Dippold got this idea from the movie. The situations are very coincidental.
Whoa. Let's all slow down a little. How do we know she is telling the truth. I am not saying he is, but I don't buy the "I didn't know what I was signing" crap, especially if his real name was on the papers. Her story does not add up, and we don't really know his side.
Nothing wrong with sleeping with someone you are not married to. Well, except the STD's. And the unwanted children murdered. and the needless heartache. and screwing up other peoples lives and ruined families. and going to Hell for fornication. Other than that, it's perfectly OK.
Doodle Bug...That's what I'm wondering as well. Wouldn't papers like this have to be signed in front of a notary to be legal? I mean man, my Mom had to sign off in front of a notary when I was 16 to allow my Father to take me on a vacation outside of the country. I would think that something as major as signing your parental rights away would have to be as well.
Either way, sad sad story. I really hope for the child's sake, they cut that guy and his wife out completely. I mean what kind of person does something like that?
This is why if you don't understand something, you have it looked over by a lawyer before you sign it.
Signing in front of a notary would not have prevented this. The notary does not interpret the paperwork that's being signed...all he does is verify the identity of the person signing the paperwork, attesting that the signature actually belongs to the signer.
She has to be really dumb to have believed he was a DuPont and divorced. Because why would someone from that family be looking for online for a relationship, much less with someone like her?
I completely agree with spellchecker on this. How do we know she isn't full of crap? Heck, women do stuff like this ALL the time. They deny fathers their rights to see kids, don't let dad's sign birth certificates or worse, they have a guy they would rather have as the father convinced to sign the birth cert's. What about women who go have abortions and never give the father the right to help in that decision?
Moral shock and outrage at this man needs to be restrained until we know the whole story. Not just her side. I mean, I know women NEVER lie, right?
How Many Times, how many times have we read this?
I met him/her online and I thought we were in love.
I mean, "I work for the CIA." That didn't set some alarms off somewhere?
I guess I am just glad to find out that we don't have ALL the dumb butts!!!
Good gawd, how brain dead did this woman have to be to believe this guy. A divorced CIA agent from the DuPont family. I mean, come on!!!!!!!!!! And to believe he'd be looking for love on line with a tramp like her. It just doesn't get any better. As another poster said.....bottom of the gene pool.
What continues to frighten me the most is that these people VOTE!!
keep in mind that for some couples there is a huge difference between basic adoption vs biological children. if the wife couldn't have a child he may not have been willing to adopt "someone else's baby" (i know a few couples like that)... and going through a surrogate is extremely expensive ($100,000 plus), so they may have figured this was the way to do it....if the allegations are true they are truly horrid and narcissisistic people for duping the girl in order to have his biological child...
Yep, the woman was an idiot. At least two "red flags" in his background, but she was "young and in love" and didn't bother to check them out. Then over several months, the bastard cements his story with her, then tricks her into signing the papers (I'm sure in front of a notary or the courts wouldn't accept them). The judge found her story credible enough to throw the adoption out on fraud charges. I'll take the judge's word for it.
Much as I can't stand how on-sided our family law system is stacked against the father, this is one case where I hope the judge institutes a large child support payment and limits visitation strictly - supervised only, at the mother's home, no wife present. That is if he allows any visitation at all.
My understanding is that especially when it's a mother giving up her rights, you have to do more than just sign and notarize; there's a waiting period and you have to go before a judge and discuss it with him or her before you sign and the judge signs off. But maybe I'm ill-informed or its done differently in another state. But it seems pretty suspicious that there wouldn't be more hoops to jump through.
blondeness032 ...both the father and his wife should only be allowed supervised visitation, as they are obviously of low moral character...
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Why would his wife be allowed any visitation?!
Being blond, i guess makes way for you know, Stupidity.
Ah well, Just move on lady you signed the papers, should have had a lawyer present before signing anything. But you didnt, She could be fabricating all of this because she was a surragate mother, some of them do take the child back. Ah well.
Sorry Missy maybe next time you check your guy out before opening up your legs to him.
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." -- Shakespeare
Well, I try to not be swayed by anecodatal evidence, so I can not say whether she is as blameless as she claims, but neither can I find any cause to disbelieve.
As a crowd, we tend to be influenced by popular fiction, such as the movie cited above, and by real life events, which may be similar but not the same.
I think that she should be allowed to challenge the papers she signed, but she should be checked out as to her worthyness as a parent.
I can think of no worse fate for a child than to be a pawn in the struggles of failed love affairs. God Bless the Child.
I feel bad for the kid either way... raised by a con man or an idiot.
There are soo many things wrong with this whole story, on BOTH sides.
Igottasaythis: It's a good thing hell doesn't exist! Cause you'd be going there for being a judgmental prick.
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@cmanz:
I think he was demonstrating something known as 'sarcasm', it's a form of humor I believe, of course it may seem strange to you assuming you've never heard of it before.
Sarcasm or not, he's still a judgmental prick.
Agreed, @myspellcheckerisbroken. She would have had to REALLY not read the papers in order for his real name to appear on them and her not have noticed - or if his fake DuPont name is on them, they wouldn't be valid. Something's really not right with her story.
Horrible man...Stupid woman
She lay down, she did the deed and she should pay the price...end of story...end of discussion. It's his child too...thanks to her ignorance and irresponsibility... he should have rights too! If he wants to see the little ick...
Come on! Did you even read the story before you commented on it?!
Really. It's not that she's trying to prevent him from seeing the child, it's that his wife wants to adopt it and her never see it anymore. Not cool.
Are you kidding....she should lose her child because she "did the deed" are you insane....yes he should get visitation with the child but why on earth should his wife be able to adopt that child, she was mislead by him??
serolod your as sick as he is thinking like that, crammers need to be dealt with very harshly, cut his balls off.
end of story.
There are no victims without volunteers. The essense of life is to be a survivor.
This woman had a baby, which is not a crime. Give her her child and leave her alone. That "father" has absolutely no rights to the child. This was pure fraud and deception.
JTrow -
Perhaps if she volunteered without duplicity being involved, I might understand your comment.
This slimeball preyed upon a very vulnerable class of person: a single mother. She went into it assuming (as everyone does who uses dating sites) that she was getting potentially committed companionship. He, I'm sure, had no intentions of that kind of a relationship.
I'd be very interested to see what name he signed the agreement as. I'll bet he didn't even sign it (with his real name) until after she signed.
I'm sorry - but he should be forced to pay child support and get zero visitation rights. He fathered a child under false pretenses. While he should have responsibility for providing for the child, he shouldn't have any legal claim of visitation.
Serolod - you are a perfect example of ignorance. Go back and read the article before you assume you know it enough to comment on it. Dumba$$.
While i do feel sorry for this lady, come on... from a very wealthy family and working for the CIA... if someone tells you they work for the CIA when you first meet them odds are high they do not work for the CIA. Giant red flag, I mean haven't you ever seen the movie True Lies?
Serolod - go to your profile and re-read some of the things you post. You are a very negative person! I don't understand exactly what you are trying to contribute to any of the stories you comment on!
People make mistakes; quit acting like you don't...
I'm sorry, but I pretty much have no sympathy for the girl....apparently people have forgotten that marriage is supposed to come BEFORE having babies. This is the reason why we have so many unwed single mothers!! I agree that she was scammed unmercifully by this creep and SHOULD get her child back; but, forgive me, she needs to get some brains in the future. Let's hope that if she gets her child back....the courts make him pay child support!! What kind of a wife would allow her husband to go out and sleep with another woman just to get a baby....that's really getting ridiculous!! This whole thing stinks!
Women do not deserve punishment for having sex. Get over it, that's never been right. Forcing any female to have a child as a punishment for having sex is also wrong. What a disgusting double standard. No one's damning him for having sex with her. It's always the woman's fault.
There's an undercurrent that if a girl or woman falls pregnant when birth control fails, 'she has to pay for her sin.' We don't know what's between her and God. Anyone who presumes to do so is judging her. That's a greater sin against the Lord.
Jesus said 'Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone.' He knew all the sins in their hearts.
There must be a bunch of perfect people on these boards. Amazing.
Didi-376564 OK, Church Lady. Sorry, but he is the one who scammed her. Technically, he was more 'immoral' because he also committed adultery. No comment on his loose morals? Guess, what? We have separation of church and state in this country. The issue here is whether something criminal took place not whether she obeyed your church's teaching.
JTrowbrdge, that's a completely false statement. Sociopaths can be extremely deceptive, seeming to all to be normal, decent people. They often prey upon our human instincts of sociability, traits which have generally helped us survive as a species, but serve the predators as a way in to victimize the unsuspecting.
I'm wondering if you think the same way about victims of physical violence too.
The guy lied to her not only about being married, but about being unable to have children, so no doubt she wasn't expecting to get pregnant (never, ever believe a guy when he says this. Amazing how many men will lie to get out of wearing a condom). This is clearly fraud on the part of this man, and his wife. What disgusting human beings.
"Pay the Price"??? How Ignorant!
No one's rights should be taken away because of the moral judgement of onlookers. This is why real justice is left to professionals, like judges and social workers.
When people jump to conclusions like Serold does above, it makes my skin crawl.
What's next, Serold, your version of Sharia law? Make women dress blandly lest they incite some desire? Then comes the burka, huh?
Religious fundamentalists SUCK!
Meg... So you are saying she should not get child support too ?
Or is that a totally different story ?
The guy takes the cake, where he states she should have known he is married when she was at his house.
So a man committing adultry should be believed that he did not try to use this young woman as a free surrogate to have a child?
His wife knew and ok'd the plan... the cheap skates.
And people seem to always believe it when the spouse says...I did not know...LOL
STUPID B*TCH!
Why yes, you must be looking in a mirror jak!
@MN BadGirl
"ZING!"?
tysvm Sir. Sometimes I just can't help myself. That's why I am the BadGirl. I think jak is soooo obviously a tool...and not a useful tool, but one of those old rusty ones in the back of the shed that you can't remember why you ever bought the useless thing but it was on sale.......hmmm...maybe now is the time to toss that useless tool away...or send it to be recycled into something useful. What would you do??
; >
Damn...just damn.
It's better to report the comment, Jazmine.
Bitches*
Neither of them should be anywhere near kids
The @!$%#?!
Does hair color have anything to do with this????
does the color of the belly have anything to do with this...
There's 2 sides to every story, but... if what she says is true...
And why would a woman want to adopt a child from her husband's mistress? That makes no sense and there's a lot more to this story... I suspect more truth will come out and since this has been made public, the wife may change her mind.
The wife probably can't get pregnant is also in on it.
They were probably in it together. Can't afford to adopt so why not trick someone into giving them their baby. I'm sure they worked out a deal with eachother to get a baby.
Some women are so focused on getting a child they don't care how they get it. This man and his wife need to see some serious mental help. She probably would have been in the news for stealing a child from a hospital or some other crazy scam if this one had not come to light.
Most likely the man and his wife did not want to go through normal channels and pay the money they would have to give a surrogate mother. The wife did not see this woman as a mistress, she saw her as a womb. Imagine them raising a child to be as underhanded as they are. On the other hand, any woman stupid enough to believe any man's "love" and blindly sign paperwork...needs her head examined. Pfffffttt!
Belive it or not this does happen I have twin daughters to prove it there father is married he and his wife could not have anymore chilpren after they had there daughter. they wanted more kids. He told me he was divorced and I belived him she did not live in the same state. I did not find out the truth till it was to late. My girls are now 9 we went to court she never tried to adopt them but he does have custody of them. SO THIS DOES HAPPEN.
Denise...
There is MUCH more to this story... guarantee it. I doubt there are any innocent parties in this entire sordid tale.
Some women who cannot have children of their own are desperate to get one, no matter how( look at all the cases where women were killed and had their babies stolen). The child is at least biologically his, so the man thought to get his wife to raise it. What a horrible thing to do to that woman he started a relationship with! I hope this man didn't do this to others too.
Would want someone more intelligent than this woman to be the mother of my child. My wife would never have wanted a baby that badly as to have allowed me to work a scam like this in any event, even had I wanted to.
And this is why you always read and understand before you sign anything!
Serolod, did you even read the article? It never said anywhere that he can't have rights. He fraudulently tried to get her to sign away HER rights.
Seems it would be the most cost effective route for him and his wife to go through. The new mom paid for all of the doctor bills I am guessing, there would be little if any legal fees or any other types of fees and of course no child support. I think his 'oh well see these THREE small photos, they were at my home - how could she not know I am married'. Does he realize, he just admitted taking her to his home, that he shares w/ his wife? My guess? A normal man would not do this, unless the wife was also in on it. No 'hi honey I'm home' ... I think he took her too his home, to continue to mislead her.
Denial's very powerful in human beings. Unless he told her outright that he was married, how would she know he wasn't single? As usual, a man expected a woman to read be a mindreader. What a disgusting creep.
There's not enough yuck in the world. Eeew.
<facepalm> Why would you not read the papers before signing...?
I'll probably be considered an jerk for saying this, but it is partly her fault for signing papers that she didn't understand.
Is this whole world going scam-crazy or what?!?
I guess they won't be exchanging Valentine's presents today.
"He loves me, he loves me NOT..."
They start us off young by giving us Santa and the Easter Bunny only to break our hearts by telling us it was all a lie. Our religion is a lie preached by con men who only care for money and power. Our past is a lie, our history has been written and erased and rewritten by each successive empire to make their murderous conquest seem justified. We sit in front of an idiot box and watch lies from the time we are born till the time we die, even reality TV is fake, it's all lies. Hell there is even an entire TV News station devoted to telling nothing but lies, Fox. Our politicians are paid professional liars who are hand picked for their ability to spin lies into the truth. So what do you expect, our entire existence is a lie from rib women and floating zoo's to the present day.
We reward liars well, the better a liar you are the more money you can make, Lawyers, politicians, actors and TV evangelists all make a very some killer cash lying for a living.
@ Dougcoe I don't think I have read truer words in a long time.
on-line romances and prison romances, same same
Congrats on the most idiotic statement I've read of the day.
My wife and I both met through an online dating site. LOTS of people meet that way these days - and lots of those liasons lead to more permanent relationships.
She was probably "looking for love" and he was "looking for someone to deceive". There are definitely folks using the online dating systems for other things than what they're intended. As an aside... while dating online - I went out on a date with what I assumed was a fine looking young lady - until we got back to my place and I discovered her name was Lola (if you get my drift). Being the polite gentleman I am, I explained that wasn't the kind of relationship I was looking for and politely escorted "her" to the door.
Thank God I stuck with it because I found the perfect woman. She can put up with my $hit - and that's saying a lot. We have two wonderful children and, I forsee, a long future together.
Wow..just wow!! "I readed them thar papers, but, I dint quite understand em, so, I signed dem anyhow." Way to go, Ms. Gaffney!
really never loved and trusted someone so that you believe what they tell you. not me i don't trust any man but i have seen people do it over and over again. he is a con man a scammer who preyed on a young innocent woman to get what he wanted. not the first to do it and won't be the last as long as women are so in need of being loved that they accept less than marriage now that she has a child with this man she will have to put up with him for the rest of the child's life.
Agreed, Sandi! There had to be multiple red flags she ignored because she was so blinded by her need for love. If I read correctly, she was a single mom to begin with, so, it's not the first time she's accepted less than marriage. I wonder who fathered the first child and where he is now... She obviously never heard "why buy the cow, if you can get the milk for free..?" I feel sorry for her kids...
Wait a minute... Isn't that how Obamacare got passed? You don't need to read it, just sign it? Hmmm.
I can't believe "the community" collapsed this comment. Too true, or too close to home?
For those dissing Ms. Gaffney for signing the papers without reading and understanding them. Didn't Nancy Pelosi want the Obamacare bill signed before disclosing what was in it? I know her quote is on record. Just proves that Ms. Gaffney was too trusting. Unfortunately, so were our politicians.
Serolod-1843041--he doesn't want to see the baby...he wants full custody of the baby and for her to be out of hte picture.
Good grief...no end to STUPID...
Hmmm, this child is probably going to have a pretty low IQ with a mother like that.
So sad that a little child has to grow up in such chaos.
:/
Yeah, this guy seems totally shady (assuming she's telling the truth.) He gets her pregnant and then tries to take the baby, claiming she should have know he was married?
Being that he's married, she should say he should have known it's wrong to sleep with someone that isn't your wife.
A. If he seems to good to be true, he probably is. B. Never sign anything you haven't had an attorney through read first. And C. Really?? She should have googled this guy. It's her own stupid fault. But did she have safe sex? Apparently not.
This woman is obviously not very bright or well educated, on top of being too trusting while blinded by her desire to find love. Which does not make anything the slimeball guy did to her right - it's even more despicable, that he took advantage of such a simpleton.
Does this woman not watch Lifetime?? I am sure she will once they make this story into a movie.
I think her story will end up on Lifetime. Sad.
the gentleman is a man hoare and a creep
Hoare? U mean whore?
Hey Harry, 'U' mean you?
OMG what next? It's gotten to where you can't trust anyone anymore. Good luck at getting your baby back and Dad and his wife need to be locked up!!!
News flash! Trust went to the wayside in the 70's
60's dude!
REALLY?!?! Ok, you're dating someone and never check them out? You never look at their ID? Even worse, you sign papers and NOT read them?! How STUPID can you be?! UGH, people like this help keep the 'women are stupid' stereotype alive...Good luck with that battle Honey. I don't know if you should have your kid if you are so willing to sign papers and didn't read them!!
As I said above, a man that takes his girl friend to his home, that he shares with his wife - is up to something. NO way the wife would not accidently come home or .. be there.. unless she was in on it, and taking her to the home was to further convince this young woman he was available.
The wife was in on it. That's why the mother looked a lot like her. She probably planned the whole thing and he was willing to sleep around with a hall pass. IF she had agreed to the abortion he would have probably told her to have the baby and just let HIM raise it. You'd be surprised at how many dumb women will do that.
MG its mentality like yours that makes people blame the victim and not the criminal. Yes, what she did was definitely not the smartest thing to do but she obviously signed those papers thiniking a family would be the end result. If you're going to blame anyone, why not start with the guy who lured some woman online, made her think he loved her and then completely took advantage of that? But she's the bad guy here??? Completely obsurd. Use your brain once and a while, sheesh.
MG is exactly right here. This woman is so stupid and irresponsible that she should not be allowed to have custody of the kid, or even the one she already has. Talk about the low end of the gene pool here. Just when you think you've heard it all........
Oh, and btw, she is not any sort of "victim". She entered into this relationship on her own free will, had unprotected sex on her own free will, signed a document she shouldn't have because she is so dim. Actually everything about this girl just makes a me shake my head in discust. Would not be surprised if she's drawing welfare benefits that I"M paying for.!
As dumb as my statement sounds, this is comparable to cutting a baby from a mother's woman, their desperation is about the same.. Allowing your husband to knock up another woman just to snatch the baby.. Sick Sick Sick..
OK... What geniuses are still playing the online dating game? First sign that she's not the sharpest crayon in the box, however, criminal that she was taken advantage of in such a manner.
Wiskoe418 - "MG its mentality like yours... Completely obsurd. Use your brain once and a while, sheesh."
Physician, heal thyself... Luke 4:23
"MG
itsit's (contraction of it is) mentality like yours... Completelyobsurdabsurd. Use your brain onceandin a while (now and then), sheesh."Yes, I realize this is just a blog post... blah, blah, blah. The dumbing down of America started with just such an excuse, and now we have women signing away their parental rights without reading the paperwork. Sheesh.
There's nothing wrong with online dating. Many people do it nowadays, because it's hard to break the ice. Some minorities use it to find acceptance for who they are on the inside and not be judged. Anyone can be scammed in person, too, as well as online. It's not all because it started from online. Crimes have been going on for years, even before the internet. It annoys me so much when people always blame it on the fact that it came from an online relationship.
It's not all because it started from online.
Well it sure didn't help.
Many people do it nowadays...
Many people do lots of... things, but it doesn't make them right or even a wise choice.
Some minorities use it to find acceptance for who they are on the inside and not be judged.
I find that grossly narrow-minded. Many "beautiful people" want the same acceptance, but, instantly you are eliminating the tell-tale sign as to whether the other person "judges a book by its cover". That isn't anyone with whom I'd choose to have a relationship. As for being scammed in person... you're absolutely right, and what a sad commentary on humanity as a whole. Still, I'd rather look 'em dead in the eye before I got involved with anyone, and I'd certainly read any paperwork handed to me before signing it, which has absolutely nothing to do with online dating, just common (perhaps uncommon) sense.
She's too stupid to have a baby. The kid's better off.
And you? Smart??? Yeah right.
Double-Standard much? She's stupid for having unprotected sex and believing she was in love and signing a document she thought was designed to allow him parental rights, in order to keep harmony in their relationship, but he's NOT stupid for having unprotected sex, using her, and manipulating her? We all make mistakes (as she did), especially when feeling desperate for love, but we don't all use people and lie to their face (as he did.) Which is really worse?
Desperate people do desperate things. It is sad that the adotion buisness has become about money and not children needing loving homes.
Out of all the comments read, this is one is the essence of the story! Desperate people definitely do desperate things. In most 'cons' there is always elements of truth.... the wife probably couldn't have children and couldn't see any other way but to scam someone else to surrogate the child via the father's sperm. I'm sure both the husband and wife team cooked this up together then found someone who would be so gullible (honestly, how many people really do read contracts before signing? I'm a real estate agent and I know that only 2 of 10 people will read before signing the purchase contract).
However in fact, our country's adoption process is so messed up. There are so many honest, hard working, legal and morally minded individuals and couples who SHOULD have childred who due to medical reasons cannot who are denied by the adoption process and there a many more children in THIS country who need to be adopted. It is a real shame!
What a horrible man. I hope he loses ALL custody of this child. She wasn't so smart either, should have had a lawyer look over anything she signed, BUT still to be lied to that way. And for him to do it the way he did. He is total scum.